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ok. so we have all heard the 9/11 is an inside job chuff. hell, its hard to get away from it now. but, like most of my friends didnt ever really buy into it. i humored the idea, i compared facts, etc, but never really came to a full proof conclusion one way or another. Then, last night i hear about WTC7 or world trade center building 7, and i started to get REALLY confused. so im hoping someone here can clear this up for me.

First thing i did was jump good ol wiki and see what they had to say, this is the short and sweet;

NIST has released a video and still-photo analysis of Building 7 before its collapse that appears to indicate a greater degree of structural damage from falling debris than originally assumed by FEMA. Specifically, NIST's interim report on 7 WTC displays photographs of the southwest façade of the building that show it to have significant damage. The report also highlights a 10-story gash in the center of the south façade,toward the bottom, extending approximately a quarter of the way into the interior.[29][3] A unique aspect of the design of 7 WTC was that each outer structural column was responsible for supporting 2,000 square feet (186 square meters) of floor space, suggesting that the simultaneous removal of a number of columns severely compromised the structure's integrity. Consistent with this theory, news footage shows cracking and bowing of the building's east wall immediately before the collapse, which began at the penthouse floors.[3]
fair enough. sounds logical in any event. two HUGE towers fall to the ground causing considerable amount of pressure, high speed air movement + a couple shit-tons of debris and this is more the logical. however, if you look to the side bar of above referenced wiki page, you see a diagram of the WTC building layouts


but oddly enough there is a giant building known at WTC6 EXACTLY between the north tower (wtc1) and WTC7. so, im confused as to how all this shock and debris was somehow pushed around building 6 and into 7.

im sure a physicist could explain a believable scenario in which this could happen. so, it tickled my taste buds and now im full swing google mode and need to find more. so, i go to the vids and see what is going around. then i came across this and the shock started to settle in.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...=50&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1

at 39 seconds when it cuts to the female reporter, you can still see WTC7 behind her head. Then! when they DO show the collapse it looks nothing like a building falling from failling structural suport. it falls, exactly within its own footprint like a pre-rigged demo. now... this is no small building, it was some 47 stories which would dwarf many buildings here in SF. Furthermore i found out the building was evacuated completely at 9 AM.

now im getting a little worried... to be honest. if that wasn't enough, i then spent 2 hours and watched this extremely one sided movie made by a true conspiracy theorist. now, i hope a couple of you watch this from start to finish so i can get some comparable insight. i watched it unbiased. but, for the last 30 minutes i was literally stuck to my computer with my jaw in my lap. there is so much info in here that is straight from the gvt, unclassified CIA ops. its not debated, its not covered up.

someone give me the other side to this story, PLEASE.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8136133221213939183&hl=en

if you cant watch the vid i want to relate one point that troubles me the most. and, its one of those facts that is troubling because i cant figure out any rational reason for it. No American fighters where scrambled throughout the entire six hour debacle. i have heard stories of small twin engine prop planes (like a sesna) loose radio contact with a tower in Washington, within 30 minutes there was an American jet on its wing until it subsequently crashed miles away. 30 minuts for a fuckin sesna.

i DONT want to believe it, and maybe thats the sadest part. im too scared to believe this could be a possibility. but i wont untill someone agrees im not out of my fuckin mind, but what i really want is for someone to proove me wrong.

please do.
 

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NN,

There is an _excellent_ thread toward this over at OT IIRC circa 2004. You really should look it up and read what additional 'evidence' people have propsed from multiple seemingly credible sources. As to your movie link I didn't even click it because I know exactly the film you speak of and it too was featured in that IMHO pretty damn good and interesting for OT thread.

Personally I'm on the fence with this.

I don't want to believe because well to do so would ruin everything and I am not open minded enough nor ready as a tax paying citizen to accept what is IMHO unacceptable. It gets even stranger in regard to the Pentagon building damage and I promise you most everyone in DC/MD/VA knows someone for real first person that either was in the building, in traffic just next to it, or was in the surrounding buildings art Crystal City (Arlington, VA) and you would be surprised at the inconsistencies in statements from those first hand view people. A year ago I had in VA an odd opportunity to talk with a firefighter from Arlington who was a first responder to the Pentagon incident and he told me and two others in confidence (he is the brother of one of the three and the other guy & me are very good old friends of dudes brother...we all are trusted persons who are not sketchy or irregular/mental folk) and he said that the parts and pieces of the 'aircraft' that hit the building were largely non-existant at the impact site and at the second ring to which he actually entered during the fire and the next day when it was put out. He also noted that the grounds (grass) prior to the impact hole were not only not scorched but appeared to be completely untouched to him and his fellow firefighter guys. He said do not talk about this and that he does not talk about it and that amongst the guys at the firehouse pretty much nobody talks about that day outloud amongst each other.
I don't know man, thats just what a dude who is the brother of a guy I very much trust and have known for ages said. I don't know dudes brother all that well, for all I know he could be a complete nut bag....but seriously I do not believe that to be his case.

America has all manner of odd things that have occurred that connect the dot style seem sketchy on the surface and stink once the pages are turned...

JFK's murder
RFK's murder
MLJ's murder
Malcolm X's murder
The formation of the CIA and it's relation to George Bush Sr. ( I read an AWESOME book about this back in the early 90s long before Dubya was even thought about by a guy who was allegedly a former CIA spook that went public. I cannot off hand recall the book but if and when I do I'll bump this thread...it was so damn good with all manner of highly detailed information. The guy BTW died IIRC in a hit & run accident a few years after it was published)
The 'suicide' of Clinton aide Vince Foster
Ronald Reagan funding the Contras in Nicaragua
The CIA involvement in the atrocities of the Pinochet reign and it's letting in to America former Chilean govt. officials who were directly involved in torture and disappearing citizens who voiced outrage against Pinochet (I know of this only because I dated for two years a Chilean girl who's family feld to America during those times and both parents were physically tortured by Pinochet people...they bear physical scars and their mom had her uterus damaged in the process to which they attempted to and succeeded in 'neutering' her (!))
The introduction of crack cocaine
The 'development' of HIV
American eugenics programs
The 'Tuskegee Experiment' (a very real health care shame and sham against Black men that happened and went on encouraged by the US govt. for 40 (yeah I said FORTY!) yrs. up to 1972 and would have continued indefinitely had some reporter from nowhere totally by accident happen to get wind of the program...to this day Black people don't trust Uncle Sam or doctors for that reason alone)
The Roswell incident
The list goes on and on and on and on....

I used to try to keep up with that crap and would listen to Art Bell on the radio and such. This was during pre-internet times when folks only had crap radio shows and call in programs like it to talk in an open 'forum'.
Eventually I got tired of reading and listening and thinking and wondering hey that makes no damn sense, as I understand it.
I don't know what to tell you but to offer this quote;

"We are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies, and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people."
- JFK who himself and the govt. kept secret the now exposed and confirmed fact that he was a hard drug addict that would entertain others of same at the White House for parties and had his own 'family friend' drug pusher who had direct access to him whenever he wanted all the while the cold war battle with Khrushchev including the very tenuous 'Bay of Pigs' situation

- Janq

"Trust no one." - An old timey saying
 

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Don't forget the chemtrails, Janq. ;)
 

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For me, the attack on the USS liberty is exceptionally painful to review. I had read about this previously and although it very clearly stank, motive and perceived benefit was never definitive and could have gone a variety of ways.

Are there no true allies? Are personnel disposable in order to attempt a ruse for power consolidation? The process of cost-benefit analysis on a government level is scary to even get a glimpse of.
 

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im not bumping this purely because today is well.... today. but, because im almost at my whits end trying to find information that defends the official story. check this one out;

http://patriotsquestion911.com/media.html#AJones

that sight is FULL of people who couldn't possible be uneducated, rooting for the terrorists, or have some kind of personal gain from pushing this side of the story.
110+ Senior Military, Intelligence Service, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials
200+ Engineers and Architects
50+ Pilots and Aviation Professionals-----------BY FAR THE MOST INTERESTING SECTION
150+ Professors Question 9/11
190+ 9/11 Survivors and Family Members
90+ Entertainment and Media Professionals

can someone please watch the movie in the OP and tell me im wrong? please?
 
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