[Janq]

Note:
This is purely informational. I personally have never owned a revolver and though I do not wholly agree with the article I do plan to pick one up for home use although thats only due to how MA law is setup and not due to the revolver being necessarily better, in my hands, than an autoloader.
Even still I thought folk here might find the piece to be informational and useful.

'Why Revolver Beats Auto' by Ralph Mroz
http://www.snubtraining.com/pdfs/WhyRevolversBeatAutos.pdf

- Janq

 

[ServoCrow]

Interesting article. He makes a good point about how revolvers are much less ammunition sensitive and self clearing (if it doesn't fire, just pull the trigger again).

But the argument also seems fixated on the M1911 and it's variants. The grip safety comment specifically and 'complicated operation' and 'four season carry' in general. Almost as if the only semi caliber he's considering is 45 ACP; a Walther PPK is smaller than both the revolvers he's demonstrating with (granted the revolvers look to be a 44's - so more powerful than .380 ACP).

I'd be curious to see what he would say if shown a Glock (even though the picture on the second page shows what looks like a Glock lying next to a revolver).

 

[Ducman]

Note:
I do plan to pick one up for home use although thats only due to how MA law is setup and not due to the revolver being necessarily better, in my hands, than an autoloader.


- Janq

What laws are you referring to?

I think revolvers have their place, and I carry a 642. Put there is a reason that every PD and military carries Semi

 

[Janq]

That in MA one cannot store a firearm loaded nor a loaded magazine.
For home defense the only real work around to this is a revolver stored with a ammo loaded within a speedloader. Speedloaders as of current are not defined as a 'magazine' and as such allow for expedited deployment in the event of the worst.
This is why I'm having a hard time toward pulling the trigger on a home defense shotgun, the magazine cannot be kept/stored loaded and the ammunition must be stored under lock & key which places it separate and away from the longarm.

It's completely stupid but here in MA thats the law.

- Janq

 

[Ducman]

you can store a loaded gun in a safe or with a trigger lock. You can also store loaded magazines as long as they are locked up..

http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/140-131l.htm

 

[Janq]

Then why is is that the instructor in the MA fireams law/CCW class I took kept emphasizing multiple times do not store a loaded firearm in a safe and/or laded mags. He then went on to strongly suggest we all invest in a revolver toward home defense in specific for the reasons I stated above.
I even wrote this stuff down in my notes from class (?).

I've read that section in the MGL before but as the instructor is a retired LEO and issuing authority as well as MA police weapons instructor at that I've been running by his word/teachings to the letter.
BTW that MGL reference just to the weapon itself. The same above toward storage of the firearm was repeated both in the Hunter Ed. course I took a couple months ago and that was taught by the Environmental Protection Office.

I may call either or both instructors and ask again for clarification against the MGL.
I've even tried to time myself in getting from bed, making it to my gun safe (in the bedroom), loading a round manually and grabbing 8 rounds + a mag (I keep the rounds pre-counted in a cup area within the safe) to load.
It takes practically forever to pull this off and thats with me being wide awake (!).

- Janq

 

[Ducman]

Then why is is that the instructor in the MA fireams law/CCW class I took kept emphasizing multiple times do not store a loaded firearm in a safe and/or laded mags. He then went on to strongly suggest we all invest in a revolver toward home defense in specific for the reasons I stated above.
I even wrote this stuff down in my notes from class (?).

I've read that section in the MGL before but as the instructor is a retired LEO and issuing authority as well as MA police weapons instructor at that I've been running by his word/teachings to the letter.

I may call him and ask again fro clarification against the MGL.
I've even tried to time myself in getting from bed, making it to my gun safe (in the bedroom), loading a round manually and grabbing 8 rounds + a mag (I keep the rounds pre-counted in a cup area within the safe) to load.
It takes practically forever to pull this off and thats with me being wide awake (!).

- Janq

Janq... I think we have had conversations about your instructor before

Give Goal a call...you are a member, correct?.

 

[Janq]

Yeah we have and on this subject at that.
I was literally just now looking up the phone number to GOAL...

Edit:
It's 508.393.5333...and I hit VM.
I didn't leave a message but will try again tomorrow during better business hours.

- Janq

 

[Ducman]

http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=6881

Here is alittle more info.. Cross-X is a local firearms attorney and someone that I shoot with once in awhile

 

[Janq]

We talked about this during class in specific and I myself was verbally incredulous at the idea of having to store ones home defense firearm unloaded _and_ locked _and_ with empty magazines that as such greatly reduces ones functional effectiveness though at that time I had not yet tested as much as I have recently.

This is annoying.
I just want to know the damn answer and if it's as 'Cross-X' states and assuming he is correct then why is it that instructors are saying otherwise?
In the MA class at S&W it was just one instructor (Sgt. Ken Frisbee, retired) while during the MA basic Hunter Ed. course there were four instructors who all were in agreement including a lieutenant, a sargent and two others who I do not recall their status but they weren't exactly newbies.

This reminds me...I need to send off a check to buy that state book/guide you had told me about in December.
I'd sent in an order by e-mail but then the lady called me back and said I have to send them a check before hand (they don't accept CC) to make an order. I forgot about it from there untill now.

- Janq

 

[Ducman]

We talked about this during class in specific and I myself was verbally incredulous at the idea of having to store ones home defense firearm unloaded _and_ locked _and_ with empty magazines that as such greatly reduces ones functional effectiveness though at that time I had not yet tested as much as I have recently.

This is annoying.
I just want to know the damn answer and if it's as 'Cross-X' states and assuming he is correct then why is it that instructors are saying otherwise?
In the MA class at S&W it was just one instructor (Sgt. Ken Frisbee, retired) while during the MA basic Hunter Ed. course there were four instructors who all were in agreement including a lieutenant, a sargent and two others who I do not recall their status but they weren't exactly newbies.

This reminds me...I need to send off a check to buy that state book/guide you had told me about in December.
I'd sent in an order by e-mail but then the lady called me back and said I have to send them a check before hand (they don't accept CC) to make an order. I forgot about it from there untill now.

- Janq

There is a alot of bad information out there; especially about storage and where it is legal to carry

 

[Adler]

Personally I would always take a 357 wheelgun over a 1911 anyday. More power, only 1 less shot in standard configuration, and dead on reliability. Plus shooting a wheelgun makes you a better shot and teaches you to deal with triggers that are long and heavy.

 

[Pre-diddy]

He makes some good points, some I don't agree with though. One problem in particular I have with many of his assumptions is that they "revolve" (bad pun?) around being unfamiliar with the firearm, or firearms in general. If I were to CCW (or even own a handgun) the first thing I would do is make sure I knew it inside out front and back, find the best possible ammo for it, and always keep it well maintained. That goes for a revolver or auto as there is no excuse for owning a gun and not doing those things. It could prevent all all kinds of problems in the future.

 

[speaker]

I live in the same fucked up state as you janq.

If you want to leave your primary home defense weapon unloaded & "safe", you are more than welcome to.