[mwink822]

I'm considering taking the necessary class(es) for a Delaware CCW, but I'm not afraid I'd go through the training ($$), submit the paperwork ($) and then get denied for some idiotic reason that the prothonotary reviewer can cook up, and then have to wait for a period and then re-take the training ($$ again), re-submit the paperwork ($ again), and then possibly have a slightly better chance at being granted a CCW "With Restrictions". Hmm what to do?

 

[MrMcCrackin]

suck it up


at least you live in a shall issue state

 

[mwink822]

DE is a MAY ISSUE STATE (Title 11 Delaware Code, Section 1441[a]), hence my uncertainty as to whether to apply now or wait until I finish law school in three years.

 

[DJ 9iron]

 

[Nose Nuggets]

fuck just do it. are you a poor man bearly getting by? or do you have a steady job and just dont really want to spend this months 'play' money on a CCW?

if its the later, fuckin suck it up and just do it.

 

[MrMcCrackin]

DE is a MAY ISSUE STATE (Title 11 Delaware Code, Section 1441[a]), hence my uncertainty as to whether to apply now or wait until I finish law school in three years.

shall, may, might, could, should - at least its not a WONT issue state!


come on - how much cash are we really talking about here a couple of $100's tops?



the question might be - how much expendable cash do you have?

if you are going to skip the rent or electric to go to class - well you should know the correct answer to that.

 

[MrMcCrackin]

honestly - what do you do for a living?

if you deal with alot of cash and/or own your own business it might be easier than say a factory job with direct deposit

where in the state are you located? New Castel, Kent or Sussex county?


next time you slip past dover - slide into Shooter's Choice and ask to talk to Dave

(302) 736-5166
5105 N Dupont Hwy
Dover, DE

 

[Janq]

If I were you I'd give this serious consideration as well, because as per my MA LTC instructor (another may issue state) this type of situation occurs to folks with regularity. On day two of my MA LTC class a noticeable amount of people were not present after at the end of class on day 1 he ran down in extreme detail the listing of reasons toward those who in MA can/will be denied a license to carry or even possess a firearm in specific.

Go to NRA-ILA.org and look up the ststes laws, or better yet being an attorney in training hit up your states website and review the law directly.
Not knowing your personal life, situation, and background if you have anything other than a Boy Scouts background then well yeah check your laws first before spending any hard earned dimes & course work time.

- Janq

 

[mwink822]

If I were you I'd give this serious consideration as well, because as per my MA LTC instructor (another may issue state) this type of situation occurs to folks with regularity. On day two of my MA LTC class a noticeable amount of people were not present after at the end of class on day 1 he ran down in extreme detail the listing of reasons toward those who in MA can/will be denied a license to carry or even possess a firearm in specific.

Go to NRA-ILA.org and look up the ststes laws, or better yet being an attorney in training hit up your states website and review the law directly.
Not knowing your personal life, situation, and background if you have anything other than a Boy Scouts background then well yeah check your laws first before spending any hard earned dimes & course work time.

- Janq

I've been spending a lot of time reviewing 11 Del C. Sect. 1441. I can hit all of the criteria for being granted a permit, but the sort of iffy spot for me is the fact that I'm still rather on the young side. Criminal history for me is non-existant save for those few times that Delaware's finest got me when I was going just a little too fast. But I'm going to guess it's more likely than not that I'd get denied for the age issue.

 

[Janq]

How old are you?

Technically you should not be denied or discriminated against due to age.
But still your concern to that end is not invalid.

Maybe consult with a LEO, the state police, or better yet call the state agency that handles application processing and ask them (?).

- Janq

 

[mwink822]

I'm a youngin'. I'm 21, but with the type of work I do it may or may not help to negate that, I work as a paralegal for a defense attorney who was up until last year when he brought me on board to help open up shop, the chief prosecutor for New Castle County. That being said, I don't deal with a clientelle that's made up of what you would call model citizens, and yes I do handle quite a lot of cash since none of our clients seem to have checking accounts through any real financial institution. You do have a good point in consulting a state trooper Janq.

 

[MrMcCrackin]

I'm a youngin'. I'm 21, but with the type of work I do it may or may not help to negate that, I work as a paralegal for a defense attorney who was up until last year when he brought me on board to help open up shop, the chief prosecutor for New Castle County. That being said, I don't deal with a clientelle that's made up of what you would call model citizens, and yes I do handle quite a lot of cash since none of our clients seem to have checking accounts through any real financial institution. You do have a good point in consulting a state trooper Janq.

Dave over at Shooters used to be DE State Police - Range officer, SWART Captin, ect ect.


If he cannot help you - i would rest assured that he can point you in the right direction.

If you hit a road block - let me know and i will make a few calls back east to see who in New Castle you can talk to.

I can assume you reside in Wilminton or at least Newark?

 

[mwink822]

I live in Newark, but my office is in downtown Wimington about a quarter mile outside of Crackheads R Us.

 

[MrMcCrackin]

I live in Newark, but my office is in downtown Wimington about a quarter mile outside of Crackheads R Us.

yep - know right where that is


some of the wilmington police are a little scetchy - so i wouldnt speak to them about it.


let me know if you have any troubles with Dave - he is a great guy and ubber knowledgable

 

[Janq]

21 is IMHO old enough and being a professional as your are if you have no other 'exclusions' and if possible a letter of recommendation from your boss or some other person of repute then well a sesnisble apolitical person should have no problem rubber stamping you.

That is of course in a somewhat ideal world. :|
Take an NRA or state offered CCW course and include a copy of that certificate with your application just to add to your resume of items indicating you are a good & rational citizen.

Best of luck!

- Janq

 

[MrMcCrackin]

21 is IMHO old enough and being a professional as your are if you have no other 'exclusions' and if possible a letter of recommendation from your boss or some other person of repute then well a sesnisble apolitical person should have no problem rubber stamping you.

That is of course in a somewhat ideal world. :|
Take an NRA or state offered CCW course and include a copy of that certificate with your application just to add to your resume of items indicating you are a good & rational citizen.

Best of luck!

- Janq

excelent point - alomst forgot to mention

take the states "hunters safety" course first - show a progression of firearms classes


also - find out who in your county stamps the CCW permits and I will ask my fam about them and see what the their take is on it

i cant remember if its the state trooper colonel or someone else - it might have to go to head quaters for stamping

 

[mwink822]

21 is IMHO old enough and being a professional as your are if you have no other 'exclusions' and if possible a letter of recommendation from your boss or some other person of repute then well a sesnisble apolitical person should have no problem rubber stamping you.

That is of course in a somewhat ideal world. :|
Take an NRA or state offered CCW course and include a copy of that certificate with your application just to add to your resume of items indicating you are a good & rational citizen.

Best of luck!

- Janq

THe CCW course here is a requesite to begin with, as you point out, having someone of good repute vouch for me as one of my "sponsor signatures" that's required, that would go a long way, unfortunately I can't have my boss do one of those since he's an out of state resident. I'll track down someone in the good ol' boy network though.

 

[Janq]

MA required same toward a sponsor.
I had my mentor, shooting buddy, and a person 20 yrs. my senior who has known me for 10 yrs. sign on as one with my mother inlaw (a life long MA resident) as my other. I figured what crazy or criminal person would employ their mother inlaw as a reference to the police for a gun pass. Yes, I had to state in so many words her relation to me.

To tag along with MMC's point on the hunter class definitely do that too.
I took the NRA CCA course in VA _before_ moving here and then took a second course after moving to MA. I did this to show on paper I was serious and to establish that I was being proactive and not just another nut job wanting to carry a sidearm and play cowboys & indians. It wasn't necessary but I'm a fan of exceeeding expectation when it comes to getting what I want. I still even now am taking _all_ of the MA Hunter Safety courses including Hunter Ed, Black Powder, and Bowhunting certs. partly because I am building and buying myself levels of insurance if you will toward a I hpray it never happens future. I figure if I have to speak to a jury some day about how I put holes in someone, or something, then me coming up with docs stating I on my own time & dime went out of my way to become 'trained' in so far as firearm handling that I am thus not a loose cannon so to speak.
These are different and will be seen differently than taking a gun-fu course at say Gunsite or even with Masaad Ayoob...who I also plan to hook in with down the road. I started in with IDPA for this reason as well but haven't been able to keep up witht hat as of late thanks to the baby being born and having little time (or energy) on weekend mornings.

Build a case for yourself that shows you are not an average idiot, as many folks will consider a 21 yr.old male 'kid' to be.
Your job/career alone really helps versus say you working at the local Chuck E. Cheese. It's not fair or even germane but it is how the political cover my own ass world works. :\

- Janq

 

[DJ 9iron]

Damn, and to think I walked in with a generic application; and in 5 minutes they called in my driver's license #, took my photo, printed my card, paid them $25, and I was on my way. No questions asked.

 

[mwink822]

MA required same toward a sponsor.
I had my mentor, shooting buddy, and a person 20 yrs. my senior who has known me for 10 yrs. sign on as one with my mother inlaw (a life long MA resident) as my other. I figured what crazy or criminal person would employ their mother inlaw as a reference to the police for a gun pass. Yes, I had to state in so many words her relation to me.

To tag along with MMC's point on the hunter class definitely do that too.
I took the NRA CCA course in VA _before_ moving here and then took a second course after moving to MA. I did this to show on paper I was serious and to establish that I was being proactive and not just another nut job wanting to carry a sidearm and play cowboys & indians. It wasn't necessary but I'm a fan of exceeeding expectation when it comes to getting what I want. I still even now am taking _all_ of the MA Hunter Safety courses including Hunter Ed, Black Powder, and Bowhunting certs. partly because I am building and buying myself levels of insurance if you will toward a I hpray it never happens future. I figure if I have to speak to a jury some day about how I put holes in someone, or something, then me coming up with docs stating I on my own time & dime went out of my way to become 'trained' in so far as firearm handling that I am thus not a loose cannon so to speak.
These are different and will be seen differently than taking a gun-fu course at say Gunsite or even with Masaad Ayoob...who I also plan to hook in with down the road. I started in with IDPA for this reason as well but haven't been able to keep up witht hat as of late thanks to the baby being born and having little time (or energy) on weekend mornings.

Build a case for yourself that shows you are not an average idiot, as many folks will consider a 21 yr.old male 'kid' to be.
Your job/career alone really helps versus say you working at the local Chuck E. Cheese. It's not fair or even germane but it is how the political cover my own ass world works. :\

- Janq

I'm already planing on taking the DE CCW necessary class later in the spring, and next weekend a general handgun safety course (non NRA), and at some time in the summer I plan on taking another NRA handgun basic course as a "brush-up"; I took it back in highschool, and I got some firearms certs back in JROTC, but that's the last documentation I have saying I was taught the "common sense" aspects of operating a firearm.
And on a slightly related topic of "what will I carry?", I saw a very nice stainless Colt Commander tonight when I was at Targetmaster to shoot.