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OT Gun Nuts: FBI report "One-Shot Drops...

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As originally posted at NASIOC/OT on 12-16-2005, 05:56 PM:

OT Gun Nuts: FBI report "One-Shot Drops. Surviving the Myth"

As reported via the Federal Bureau of Investigation 'Law Enforcement Bulletin' October 2004;

One-Shot Drops
Surviving the Myth

On a summer evening in the northeastern part of the United States, a patrol officer received a radio dispatch at approximately 7 p.m. to respond to an address for a disorderly subject. The officer arrived at the location and parked his patrol vehicle on the opposite side of the street, several houses away. Before exiting the vehicle, the officer paused to observe the scene. He saw a male move from behind a large tree in front of the address of the alleged disorderly subject. The officer started to exit his vehicle, but then stopped when he saw the male, with a gun in each hand, begin to run toward him. The man fired both weapons at the officer, who returned two rounds from his service weapon, striking the male in the center of his chest. However, the man continued to fire. One round struck the officer in the head, killing him instantly. The male survived the two gunshot wounds and later was convicted of killing the officer.

This scenario is a collage of several cases dealing with the use of deadly force, by and against law enforcement, that the authors have examined over the last decade. Studying these cases and interacting with officers attending the FBI National Academy,1 who have experienced similar incidents in their own agencies, have led them to question if officers have died because of any of the following factors:

* The type of weapon issued to the officer.
* The type of ammunition the department issued for service rounds.
* The lack or quality of self-defensive training provided to the officer.
* Overconfidence because the officer was wearing a bullet-resistant vest and, thereby, took unnecessary chances.
* The officer’s own preparation for a violent encounter, such as wearing a bullet-resistant vest or remaining in excellent physical condition.
* The officer’s choice to notify dispatch of the location during a traffic stop or other encounter with suspects.
* ny other circumstances presently unknown to the officer’s department.

In the opening scenario, did the officer “hesitate” after firing the two rounds that struck the offender? Was he instructed to “double tap” and pause, as many departments once trained?

The authors have learned from their research on law enforcement safety that there exists a significant hesitancy on the part of many officers to use deadly force. However, they have not determined the reason for either the hesitation or why officers stop shooting before they neutralize the threat. One question they can answer is that handguns used for protection by law enforcement are capable of immediately eliminating a deadly threat quickly. However, the fact largely remains that bullet placement, rather than caliber, causes immediate stop-page of body functions in most instances. 2

With all of this in mind, then, if officers are adequately armed, what causes them to fall victim to criminals wielding less powerful weapons? An examination of the myth of the “one-shot drop,” data relative to the type of weapons offenders have used to attack officers, and effective survival and firearms training may help law enforcement agencies begin to reverse this tragic trend...

The complete report can be found at;

Edit: As result of Grants follow on query OTters do not read this and think of or as a cop. Think of what you are which is a concealed carry citizen. Obviously LEOs are not going to dump unnecessary rounds into an assailant and will give a bad guy every chance possible, thats their job and legal requirement.
As relative to us concealed carry citizens though the lessons as detailed in this report underline what most consultnats and instructors advocate to us which is to shoot to stop but that means stopped...not I shot him once or twice he shouldn't be still coming at me. See the one about the two cops who shot a runner 13 times and yet he still got away and further lived to complain about it.
As my VA LTC instructor who was in fact a former FBI agent stated; "Carry the largest caliber you can shoot reliably and accurately".

- Janq carries a .45
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I totally agree with the whole use the biggest caliber you can handle accurately and reliably. you can be a perfect shot with a 22 or a 38, but unless you get a really nicely placed head shot (which if you only want to disable, this is not an option) you will not do really much. but if you have a 45, you can shoot an assailant in the arm and that will most likely have enough impact to let your assailant know you are packing some heat and discourage any further contact. plus if you hit in the chest, the blast most likely will knock your assailant down on his arse giving you enough time to run. and with even a crapily placed shot to the head, a 45 will most likely instantly kill.

Wouldn't you guys all agree?
Well in self defense you don't really aim you don't have enough time usually and your under alot of stress so its more of point and shoot which is what you need to practice. You don't just aim for the head you fire repeatadily at the center mass till they fall down at least thats what i would do. It does have more to do with shot placement than caliber but i still say you should still use a large enough caliber that you can shot comfortably and double/triple tap.
In the recent pistol class I took, we practiced many drills with point shooting and double/triple tap, along with 6 shot drills. I felt this kind of training was far more effective than trying to shoot tight groups at the range?
Agreed machine & Gun Nut.

I went to the range afterwork today (just found out my weekend will be cockblocked :( ) and practiced a new shooting stance/concept (more on that in another thread) and applied it to distance shooting at 50' whihc is the backstop at the S&W range as well as up close OMG!!1! type shots of 15'. I was using today a nothing special SA commander length 1911 using shitty ammo and can hit the center of an 8" target both a Shoot-N-See style as well as pie plate with ease, when able to relax and pace my shot. I was putting two mags totalling 12+1 all in tight groups at that range.
Apply my same and regular stance at 15' under OMG!1! panic conditions and I''d miss every second shot, with consistency either way. Always the first shot right at point of aim witht he one prior and always the second follow on shot a miss. It never fails or failed.

Definitely close distance double & triple tap trainign is a requirement in real life for everyone CCW and even LEOs.
Look along the range next time you're out and watch other shooters. They'll ikely be doing similar same taking a practiced and comfortable stance shooting at 30' or more and taking their time. Or they'll be dumping their magazine and hitting a man sized IPSC target maybe 50% of the time, maybe. And thats without stress, fear or return fire.
Neither are realistic for real world scenarios.

Machine & Gun-Nut again I'm with you.
Shoot the biggest whole puncher one can handle with relative accuracy, train for real world close ranges, and as per the FBI pray for an accurate shot that leaves a big gaping bleeder in lieue of a mythical 'one stop shot'.

- Janq
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Here's something for you to try at the range when praticing self defense shooting. At the 10' range or close to it take a big piece of paper or cardboard 4' square is what we use, or anything big enough for you to tell where all your shots are going. Put the plate on it Go into your stance, bring up the gun and double or triple into the plate then in the same motiion close your eyes and empty the mag at the target.
In self defense situations they most commonly take place at night and in the confines of a building or small street where the muzzle flash of your first shots will night blind you.
At the ranges I'm member of and have been to 'blind shooting' is verboten.
As is shooting from the holster too. :(

What I do to imitate that is swap from my amber shooting specs to dark sunglasses.

- Janq
When the weather warms up a bit i'm going out to the local shootin pit to try this stuff. I think I can rig up a paper plate/tshirt hanger target that I can take with me and try for different distances. Best part is I can use the truck as cover/concealment and shoot from odd angles.
just watch out for the muzzle blast, it can really screw up the paint.
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