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A new bill was introduced into the US Legislature earlier this week that if passed would make it mandatory for all states to recognize another states Concealed Weapon Permit. Full reciprocation. You know what that means California people. Get residency in another state and you to can get a permit to carry.
 

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Of all the people I figured you would be the one who would be most rejoiced. If all else failed Daniel I could rint up a renters "contract" for you saying that you lived with me and paid rent for 7 months a year giving you residency in this state. Only problem is you would have to come out here to take the 1 day course.
 

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Done it before for a friend :D
 

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H.R.4547
Title: To amend title 18, United States Code, to provide a national standard in accordance with which nonresidents of a State may carry concealed firearms in the State.
Sponsor: Rep Stearns, Cliff [FL-6] (introduced 12/14/2005) Cosponsors (18)
Latest Major Action: 12/14/2005 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary.
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COSPONSORS(18), ALPHABETICAL [followed by Cosponsors withdrawn]: (Sort: by date)
Rep Bishop, Sanford D., Jr. [GA-2] - 2/14/2006 Rep Burton, Dan [IN-5] - 2/7/2006
Rep Davis, Geoff [KY-4] - 2/1/2006 Rep English, Phil [PA-3] - 2/1/2006
Rep Foxx, Virginia [NC-5] - 2/1/2006 Rep Goode, Virgil H., Jr. [VA-5] - 2/1/2006
Rep Larsen, Rick [WA-2] - 2/14/2006 Rep McHenry, Patrick T. [NC-10] - 2/14/2006
Rep Miller, Jeff [FL-1] - 2/7/2006 Rep Murtha, John P. [PA-12] - 2/14/2006
Rep Musgrave, Marilyn N. [CO-4] - 2/1/2006 Rep Ney, Robert W. [OH-18] - 2/8/2006
Rep Rogers, Mike D. [AL-3] - 2/1/2006 Rep Schmidt, Jean [OH-2] - 2/14/2006
Rep Schwarz, John J.H. "Joe" [MI-7] - 2/7/2006 Rep Wicker, Roger F. [MS-1] - 2/7/2006
Rep Wilson, Joe [SC-2] - 2/1/2006 Rep Young, Don [AK] - 2/7/2006
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The only part that makes me a bit nervous is the "National Standard" part. I don't want ANY federal level standards for CCW at all, ever. Too easy for them to change the standard to $1000 per year, 5 shots maximum per SD gun if Hillary takes office.
 

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It's worse than I thought: Check out the bold parts...

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h109-4547

109th Congress
H.R. 4547: To amend title 18, United States Code, to provide a national standard in accordance with which...
Introduced: Dec 14, 2005
Sponsor: Rep. Clifford Stearns [R-FL]
Status: Introduced (By Rep. Clifford Stearns [R-FL])

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109TH CONGRESS H. R. 4547
1ST SESSION

To amend title 18, United States Code, to provide a national standard
in accordance with which nonresidents of a State may carry concealed
firearms in the State.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
DECEMBER 14, 2005
Mr. STEARNS introduced the following bill; which was referred to the
Committee on the Judiciary

A BILL
To amend title 18, United States Code, to provide a national
standard in accordance with which nonresidents of a
State may carry concealed firearms in the State.

1 Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representa-
2 tives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
3 SECTION 1. NATIONAL STANDARD FOR THE CARRYING OF

4 CERTAIN CONCEALED FIREARMS BY NON-

5 RESIDENTS.

6 (a) IN GENERAL.--Chapter 44 of title 18, United
7 States Code, is amended by inserting after section 926C
8 the following:
2
1 `` 926D. National standard for the carrying of certain
2 concealed firearms by nonresidents

3 ``(a) Notwithstanding any provision of the law of any
4 State or political subdivision thereof, a person who is not
5 prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting,
6 shipping, or receiving a firearm and is carrying a valid
7 license or permit which is issued by a State and which
8 permits the person to carry a concealed firearm (other
9 than a machinegun or destructive device) may carry in an-
10 other State a concealed firearm (other than a machinegun
11 or destructive device) that has been shipped or transported
12 in interstate or foreign commerce, subject to subsection
13 (b).
14 ``(b)(1) If such other State issues licenses or permits
15 to carry concealed firearms, the person may carry a con-
16 cealed firearm in the State under the same restrictions
17 which apply to the carrying of a concealed firearm by a
18 person to whom the State has issued such a license or
19 permit.
20 ``(2) If such other State does not issue licenses or
21 permits to carry concealed firearms, the person may not,
22 in the State, carry a concealed firearm in a police station,
23 in a public detention facility, in a courthouse, in a public
24 polling place, at a meeting of a State, county, or municipal
25 governing body, in a school, at a professional or school
26 athletic event not related to firearms, in a portion of an
1 establishment licensed by the State to dispense alcoholic
2 beverages for consumption on the premises, or inside the
3 sterile or passenger area of an airport, except to the extent
4 expressly permitted by State law.
''.
5 (b) CLERICAL AMENDMENT.--The table of sections
6 for such chapter is amended by inserting after the item
7 relating to section 926C the following:
``926D. National standard for the carrying of certain concealed firearms by non-
residents.''.


THis is HUGELY restrictive to most states. I really hate the idea of not carrying in schools, even though my state doesn't allow it. I really really hate the idea of not being able to carry in a bar or restaraunt, in most states you can.
 

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At first when i heard about it i thought it would be a good change. But then i thought about and with federal regulations and other bs it might not be the best thing to do.
 

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Most likely the NRA will work to get that ammended. They sent me an email about it and said that they were working to get as much freedom worked into the bill as possible.

They expressed that their lawyers examined the bill and said it was in no way a "Fedral" license and that states and counties would still be the issuing authorities.

Also those restrictions are placed on permits in almost all the states that issue them. Iowa being pretty lax only allows them in bars but restricts the rest of the list.
 

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I might be misreading it, and hope that it won't change individual states' licensing procedures and things. I just can't think of any gun related federal law that didn't do anything but restrict our rights.
 

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If this goes through, I can finally carry in Wisconsin. I've already got CCP's in Michigan and Minnesota, so Wisconsin can kiss my lily white ass. The best part is, Wisconsin just shot down concealed carry not even a month ago, so if this shit passes, it's going to be a HUGE slap in the face to the libies in Wisco.
 

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I just hope that the States will still make the regulations on obtaining one and where you can't carry and all the stuff. I'm happy with my state on the right now.
 

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The NRA email said that states would stil be the authoirty but teh idea was to make it alot like a Drivers License. Standards in certain states are different but none the less each state recognizes every other states Drivers ID.
 

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Not to be the guy who pisses on everyone's parade... As much as I love the idea.... I hate the fact that it completely erases 150-170 years of states rights. The states that don't allow concealed carry don't allow it for a reason, their voters have decided that they are going to put people in place who will keep that from coming about.

Even though i totally disagree with not being able to concealed carry, I personally believe more in the states right issue that I do about being able to carry my pistol whereever I feel like it.
 

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The NRA email said that states would stil be the authoirty but teh idea was to make it alot like a Drivers License. Standards in certain states are different but none the less each state recognizes every other states Drivers ID.
Ok thats what i was hoping for i just wasn't real clear on that.
 

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Not to be the guy who pisses on everyone's parade... As much as I love the idea.... I hate the fact that it completely erases 150-170 years of states rights. The states that don't allow concealed carry don't allow it for a reason, their voters have decided that they are going to put people in place who will keep that from coming about.
But the way i see it is if you are qualified if the state won't let you carry its like thier deniying you your rights. If other people don't want to posses firearms thats fine with me but don't infringe on my rights.
 

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BhamRoadrunner said:
Not to be the guy who pisses on everyone's parade... As much as I love the idea.... I hate the fact that it completely erases 150-170 years of states rights. The states that don't allow concealed carry don't allow it for a reason, their voters have decided that they are going to put people in place who will keep that from coming about.
But the way i see it is if you are qualified if the state won't let you carry its like thier deniying you your rights. If other people don't want to posses firearms thats fine with me but don't infringe on my rights.
Just because I own a rifle and have an Alabama hunting license doesn't mean I have a right to go hunting in Georgia with that license.

I mean if they want to come up with some national standard system by which all CCW-legal states can have reciprocity with each other, I'm all for that. But as the bill is written I am totally against it because it forces CCW down the throats of people who have decided of their own free will that they would rather not have it in their state.
 
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