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Though, the full size 5" 1911 doesn't really have this issue...


Being used to glock style grip angles, I find that when I go to fire a pistol such as a springfield XD, 4" or less inch 1911, etc, that the muzzle rise is INSANE! The recoil mixed with the "stright" grip angle makes it so the muzzles rises like 50% more than any glock or steyr pistol I have ever fired. It drives me nuts!

Seriously, go out and fire a pistol with a glock-type grip angle, then switch to one with a 1911 style grip angle (Minus the full size 1911s), then compare the recoil. It's insane.
 

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I believe he means it has the same grip angle.

Indeed. The XD has the 1911 grip angle, which is pretty much vertical whereas glock style pistols have a more angled grip angle which helps with muzzle rise and recoil.

Shooting a 4" XD-40 and shooting a 4" Glock chambered in .40 yeilds:

1. Glock has far less rocoil
2. Glock has far less muzzle rise
3. Glock therefore has faster target aquisition

I love both pistols, but I did a little test last night... 100 rounds in each pistol fired with iron sights, and 100 rounds fired with laser... Fired 4 pistols:

1. Glock 17
2. XD-9 in 4" trim
3. Glock 22
4. XD-40 in 4" trim

The results yielded much faster target aquisition with the glocks due to less muzzle rise
More accurate double taps with the Glock
 

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Get a timer... find out what your splits are

And it is your left hand that should control recoil not your right.

I find that my splits are close with a 4'' scandium 1911 compared to a 5" steel. front sight goes alittle higher, but returns as fast as a 5". nothing practice can't take care of. Since I am timed to the 5" 1911 with my loads, I don't have any extra muzzle dip after recoil. big help.
 

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I believe the reason you liek the steyr so much is it has the sam grip angle as the famously good pointing P08 Luger.

I think that if you got used to a 1911 it would be different. You are just set in your shootign ways, as am I. I hate the feel of the xd and only like the 1911 cause its so thin.


You want a weird feel Daniel....shot a tokarev pistol. That thing could double as a T square
 

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I didn't agree with you on this 6 months ago. But since purchasing my first glock (19), I'm starting to agree. The glock grip angle does help control the muzzle rise, and help with reacquiring the target.
I still love all my guns though and still enjoy shooting the 1911 type grip pistols.
 

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i tested the glock 23 against the xd40..needless to say i choose the xd..to me the glock had way more muzzle flip than the xd...ill say this the glock 23 felt like they used my hand for the mold..it fit very comfortably..but i shot the xd straighter and thats what counts
 

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The XD is not a 1911. They might share similar/same internal mechanism but they are definitely not the same. Pick up a Commander size 1911 and an XD. The grip angles are similar but the barrel rides much higher in the XD’s frame. It’s possible to get a high enough grip on a 1911 so the hand is relatively close to the barrel. I could not do the same with an XD. The grip angles does not necessary dictate that two guns are the same.

XD != 1911.
 

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Like I said....I will take my steyr over the XD or 1911. Lower riding barrel than both, and a better trigger than a glock or xd, but with 14rds of anti bad guy rounds instead of the 7/8 in the 1911.
 
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