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Looking at these rifles on the internet at work today, kinda look like the FN SCAR.... Main thing im waiting to hear about is the new Steyr AUGS. Anyone hear anything about them? I got lots of people looking with me to find out about them, I must have one....


I do like those mags there... great idea.
 

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In the second to last issue of Shotgun News there was an ad for the an Aug, not by steyr, but an AUG none the less.

Personally I am saving up for a Vector V93

 

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Mmm.... Spiffy, ORCA. :D
 

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You beat me to the punch...I've had an FF window setup with features toward this to post here and at OT since yesterday, but I got sidetracked last night playing CoD 3. :D
A couple of corrections and additions though...

They are in development toward just one rifle nt multiple and it is not an FN variant, no more so than it is a variant or copy of the RobArms XCR which was the predecessor and basis toward the 'SCAR' program. FN just happened to name it's offering toward that program after the name of the program.

The lower is a modified AR style that will support AR and a second lower design to support AK mags and allow it to be multi-chamberable, and will be produced in a plastic material. Because of this it's likely the upper will be serialized instead of the lower.

The upper is a piston design featuring a tooless quick change barrel system produced entirely from a metal alloy. It's also completely ambi by design which means alot for those of us lefties and others who prefer to shoot oppositely, such as myself.

An emphasis with this offering is to increase durability while reducing weight and it's said to be lighter in feel than the FN SCAR-L (Light).
Additionally multiple sources including Magpul report the offering will run $1.4K. Now it's not known, yet, if that is a street price, list price, or govt. price...but no matter what price it is to be in that neighborhood undercuts the now known list price of the SCAR by approximately 40% (!).
In Belgium they call that a deal! :p

Below are additional pics as well as a link to an official PDF from Magpul toward it's layout and internals...














Link to the above fullsize PDF from Magpul - http://www.magpul.com/Masada_inside.pdf

I'm totally psyched about this news.
Between this and the Robarms 'XCR' and the MGI 'Hydra', as well as the FN 'SCAR' these are the things that myself as a potential rifle buyer is looking for.
Lightweight, multichambering capability, durability, ambidextrous capability, ergonomics, and best of all it shouldn't cost a damn arm and leg to have.
The FN 'SCAR' and MGI 'Hydra' have crazy price tags attached to them. The RobArms 'XCR' has alot of good buzz behind it from owners but it's owner himself does not and they are a tiny company at that. As well extra bolts, carriers, and it's custom AK mags as a package runs $400 which is less spendy than same from MGI or FN, but geez man why does it have to cost so damn much. If Magpul can pulloff similar cost savings/reduction toward multichambering capability cost as they have the whole rifle then one would be looking at possibly $200 which is much less distatseful. Even if it were $400 for them too that would not be bad considering the whole cost of the weapon system as a total investment.

Additionally Kel-Tec has a very intersting package on the way as well.
More toward that in it's own thread though but I've got to go and play with my duaghter for now as she's pissed I sat here and wrote this up...

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That's hot.

Not a HUGE fan of the SCAR but those are sweeet. I love the logo. Looks futuristic.

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Ok I want one. No money, therefore I will not buy one.

I like their website though... just the home page and the random quotes they put up is funny in a dry, sarcastic, dark kind of way.
 

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DJ 9iron said:
So you finally gonna dive into rifle world Janq? :p
Yep DJ.

I know I've been talking about as much for an age now but I'm dead serious, I want a rifle.
Thing is I normally when 'investing' in anything that I plan to keep and enjoy for a long time will do my due diligence, especially if it'll cost me more than say $100 whihc the rifles I've been looking at will.
Thus far I've not found the exact mix of form and function that I've been seeking thus I've not yet pulled the trigger.
Same goes toward a shotgun and a revolver as well. Ultimately I'd like to have one of each and then that would be that, akin to most everything else I own/buy. I rarely have buyers remorse and thats usually because I research the hell out of everything before hand.

This Masada is interesting as the lower is purely AR but in plastic which will help shave weight and more importantly reduce overall cost while allowing flexibility & ease of manufacturing. There is no reason with modern design and manufacturing that it cannot be equally as strong as metal relative to its application. IBGlock.
The upper is piston based FTeaseofmaintenancelowcleaningrequirementthushigherreliabilityW. As well having a quick change barrrel capability is nice while being multi caliber capable too, thats a whole can of sweet icing on a homemade box cake. Whats not to like? Current AR owners can pop the upper on to their lower. People can adopt it without having to learn anything new. Soldiers have a lighter packout to do same with less thus allowing them to do more and/or go farther.
It just makes sense. It remains to be seen if it'll be functional muchless reliable. My first question is toward that charging handle and more so the open slot it resides in. How functional will that be when gunked up with dirt, sand, mud, or snow? As well will the bridge it effectively creates be string enough to withstand a reasonable amount of impact force upon being dropped or something dropped on it? Independent testing will of course prove this and other items out. But I doubt these guys are coming forward with anything less than their A game.

Anyway the day I do buy a rifle Gunatics will be the first to hear of it. :p
BTW I'm now signed up for the MA 'Basic Hunter Education and a 'Bowhunting Education' so again I'm serious about making a move, I just haven't pulled a trigger...yet.

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BTW I'm now signed up for the MA 'Basic Hunter Education and a 'Bowhunting Education' so again I'm serious about making a move, I just haven't pulled a trigger...yet.

- Janq[/QUOTE]

Good for you, I think you'll find them very imformative. I take the courses every couple of years, mostly because i keep losing the damn cards which I need to get hunting lisences in other states. But also because they are interesting and hearing someone elses ideas and techniques brodens the horizons.

Is hunting in your future or are you taking them for the knowledge?
 

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On the subject of the scar. Can a civilian own a gen 2 scar l or gen 2 scar h? And if so what is the general cost. And anyone with experience, would you recomend a m4 (a1 a2 it dosent matter) or the either of the gen 2 scar.
 

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Jeremy,

I passed the Baisc Hunter Ed. 3 or 4 weeks ago and did the Bowhunting Education class today (8hrs. of instruction including field time and a really cool video on how to express dress a kill...that oddly at the end left my stomach literally rumbling with hunger!) and I found it to be very interesting & general knowledge useful.
Next up is Map, Compass, & Survival in April followed through sprig & summer Blackpowder as well as Trapper education and a Waterfowl identification course. I'm going for the the whole city kid goes country program. :p
I would love to go hunting some time and my buds in MD have invited me to go often for years but it's never worked out. Two of the instructors in todays class, one is a professional licensed guide toward NH that lives here in Easthampton, offered to take me out some time as I talked to them after class about questions & comments I had toward what we covered. I'm doing this largely because it's something I don't already know about or have experience with so it goes under 'general knowledge' and is fun for me. I like learning new stuff. At the same time this kind of info and ability/capability I think is very handy crap to know. I always wanted to go hunting for real (aside from small birds & squrrels) but I had no one to teach this to me as a kid or teen so as an adult I'm seeking it out on my own.


Triten the folks at FNH have not as yet officially released the SCAR to be sold. Last time I checked (January) it was still just 'developmenta' even as they are delivering units under govt. contract to specific military orgs.
Rumor on the street amongst FNH nuts is that when the SCAR system does go commercial it'll run in the neighborhood of $3.5K for a 'Light' (.223) priced north of the recently released to the civilian market FNH FS2000.

- Janq
 

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Id really settle for an FNC copy
 

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Iowa hutning course is a joke. Take home test and basically 4 days of "dont point your gun at anyone"
 

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Janq said:
Triten the folks at FNH have not as yet officially released the SCAR to be sold. Last time I checked (January) it was still just 'developmenta' even as they are delivering units under govt. contract to specific military orgs.
Rumor on the street amongst FNH nuts is that when the SCAR system does go commercial it'll run in the neighborhood of $3.5K for a 'Light' (.223) priced north of the recently released to the civilian market FNH FS2000.

- Janq
Thanks, I had no ideah it was still that new of a gun. Guess I will just keep my eyes out for information.
 

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Janq said:
Jeremy,

I passed the Baisc Hunter Ed. 3 or 4 weeks ago and did the Bowhunting Education class today (8hrs. of instruction including field time and a really cool video on how to express dress a kill...that oddly at the end left my stomach literally rumbling with hunger!) and I found it to be very interesting & general knowledge useful.
Next up is Map, Compass, & Survival in April followed through sprig & summer Blackpowder as well as Trapper education and a Waterfowl identification course. I'm going for the the whole city kid goes country program. :p
I would love to go hunting some time and my buds in MD have invited me to go often for years but it's never worked out. Two of the instructors in todays class, one is a professional licensed guide toward NH that lives here in Easthampton, offered to take me out some time as I talked to them after class about questions & comments I had toward what we covered. I'm doing this largely because it's something I don't already know about or have experience with so it goes under 'general knowledge' and is fun for me. I like learning new stuff. At the same time this kind of info and ability/capability I think is very handy crap to know. I always wanted to go hunting for real (aside from small birds & squrrels) but I had no one to teach this to me as a kid or teen so as an adult I'm seeking it out on my own.


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Good for you Janq, I'm glad you're enjoying ******* school.

Sadly fewer and fewer people are learning these skills anymore. The classes taught you a lot of use stuff it seems. So you went from a city kid to a city kid that if worse come to worse has the knowledge to put meat on the table to feed his family, you may not be Danial Boone yet but you can get'r done. My GF is a city kid also and now she's a hunting addict but she won't knowingly eat anything we shoot lol She's under the false impression that all the stuff in the freezer marked burger, roasts, steaks comes from a cow lol, other than some beef franks she's SOL there and the thanksgiving turkey wan't a butterball.

Just curious, what was trhe average age of the people taking the class?
 
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