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As reported by ABCNews:

Lawsuit: Katrina Pets Executed
Investigations, Two Criminal Indictments and a Lawsuit Put the Heat on St. Bernard Parish's Sheriff's Office


This white poodle, Gigi, was among the dogs allegedly killed by authorities after their owners were forcibly evacuated during Hurricane Katrina. A lawsuit says an animal rescue worker found Gigi shot in the head.

By JIM AVILA, ELIZABETH TRIBOLET and CHRIS FRANCESCANI
ABC News Law & Justice Unit
June 11, 2007

For nearly two years, pet owners from the low-lying Louisiana parish of St. Bernard have accused sheriff's deputies of having wantonly killed dozens of dogs they forced evacuees to leave behind during Hurricane Katrina in 2005, without regard to the dogs' size or the potential threat they might pose.

One owner said her family was forced at gunpoint to leave its dog behind. Another owner said residents became frantic when, they said, they overheard one deputy claim that "once everybody's gone, we're going to have target practice tonight." They claim in court papers that deputies were under orders to shoot every dog they found.

Two deputies have already been indicted by a grand jury in New Orleans on charges of felony, aggravated cruelty to animals. The Louisiana attorney general's office is investigating and this morning lawyers for a group of owners will file a comprehensive complaint in federal court in Louisiana seeking class action status for their clients.

For the first time, the St. Bernard Parish sheriff's office has acknowledged to ABC News' Law & Justice Unit that an internal investigation has been launched.

In an interview last week, Sal Gutierrez, who represents the sheriff's office, defended the department's handling of a clearly difficult evacuation. Gutierrez said the shells left behind in the schools did not necessarily come from the weapons issued to department deputies. He denied allegations that orders to kill the dogs came from superior officers, calling that claim "false." He said that if the investigation turned up any wrongdoing by deputies, the St. Bernard sheriff would take appropriate disciplinary action. If something false has been alleged in the lawsuit, he said he would consider countercharges of defamation of character. He said that he and the sheriff were animal lovers.

In December, the sheriff's office released a statement declaring that any actions taken had been done with "the utmost care, caution and belief of its necessity," according to the newspaper New Orleans City Business.

But Gutierrez told ABC News that until the internal investigation was complete, he could not adequately answer all the charges. "I can't tell you we don't have a renegade or two," Gutierrez told ABC News.

"If you're talking about a rabid dog roaming the streets trying to attack, that's understandable to try and find and euthanize a dog," said plaintiff attorney Randall Smith. But, he said later, "some of them were poodles, miniature dogs, tied up, most outrageous[ly] in schools, no way a threat to anybody."

One of the key pieces of evidence in the civil case is expected to be video footage shot by Pulitzer Prize-winning photographer David Leeson Jr., who said he witnessed dogs being shot while filming in the area after Katrina for the Dallas Morning News...

The story can be found at; http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=3265151&page=1

- Janq

Lesson Learned: During a major and extended civil emergency one as an individual cannot depend on law or lawfulness, not even at times from law enforcement. This is not a bash toward law enforcement as a profession.
Citizens need to keep on hand enough food, water, and meds for yourself as well as any animals/pets you might have. As well have some means to safely house and/or transport them in place as well...or otherwise you take your chances. :\
 

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funny - my wifey and i were talkin about reviewing and tightening up our disaster plans

in which she made a strong point to ensure we had a vehicle to transport the entire familyand supplies which included both of our 70+lb dogs and the cat


that when i chuckled and asked "so your OK with leaving the MINI behind"


LOL



i got this response: :(
 

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hold the phone here people. this is an EXTREMELY broad situation. i think i would rather have a deputy shoot yeller in the dome piece then be left to starve on my roof while flood waters rush by for the forceable future. thats uh, WHY THE CHOPPER IS PICKING YOUR ASS UP!

now, not to say family pets are not worth saving, but this 'part of the family' shit has its limits. the second someone says my pet dogs life is as valuable as another humans, i draw the line. we where not exactly on the ball with this one, ladies and gents. its not as though we had the resources you would THINK the US of A could conjure up in the midsts of the biggest stateside disaster in as long as i can remember. but we didnt. people where on roofs for days.


now lets look at the other portion of the scenario. even in the non flooded (laugh!) portions of the city you still lack one serious aspect. PEOPLE. PEOPLE where told to get the hell out of dodge, and most did. i cant recall a single house bred animal that could survive in a small city surrounded by water, with no people and no clean water. so what does that leave you with? animals scrounging for food and becoming more and more frantic and desperate every day. it would -SHOCK- me if i came to find an animal in that situation, even cute Gigi, would not revert to pure animal instinct and attempt to kill another dog or even small child given the chance. self preservation is a bitch. talk about a drop in moral. scraping by scrounging for food worrying who you can and cant trust and then, two twisted, dirty, desiese infected chiwawa's fight to the death in the streets purely for the little nourishment tightly stuck to the others bones.

gruesome.

so yeah. had we (well, the gvt) swooped in to save the day with all the force and zeal you would expect form the mightiest nation on the planet (or a good Nam flic), sure lets save the animals. all of em! no one left behind. shit, this is the stuff those fantastic pro American and military commercials are made of! its advertising gold! but the fact is we suck at helping everyone here because we are too damned busy fucking up everyone else's groove. and i guess thats the point i wanted to make.... in an absurdly long winded way...

/your dog wants to be a chopper pilot
 

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NN,

Did you read the article...the whole thing?
Alot of the items and such you touch on above are answered there in.

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I guess when your done violating people rights and stealing from stores all thats left is to shoot animals. The NOPD and sherrif depts were basically a government sponsored gang reaking havok on the city....
 

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Nose Nuggets said:
but this 'part of the family' shit has its limits. the second someone says my pet dogs life is as valuable as another humans, i draw the line.
I would have to disagree with this. Our 4 cats are worth more than a random stranger I have never met. If I could help the random stranger AND my pets I would but if it is a matter of choosing between some stranger and our pets....well the stranger better find someone else for help.

In reality this would have been avoided for my family. At the first mention of "you need to leave" we would have already been on the road out of town.
 

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yeah, worth more to you. but not worth more to that strangers family. and you aren't the one making the decision, its an impartial 3rd party. aka the rescue team.

/ i still think its fucked up that you would leave a man to die for your cat
 

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yeah, worth more to you. but not worth more to that strangers family. and you aren't the one making the decision, its an impartial 3rd party. aka the rescue team.

/ i still think its fucked up that you would leave a man to die for your cat
I would leave long before the rescue team had to be called in. So many people in this world do not deserve anything but ask for everything. Far too many people sit around and wait to get bailed out of a tough situation. I will not risk the safety of my family or pets for someone else that is unwilling to help themselves. I'm not saying that everyone is like that but I see way too many incompetent people everyday to think that it's just a fluke. Relying on someone or a program is a dangerous place to be and live.
As for our cats, they rely on us because they have no choice so I will do everything in my power to keep them safe, it is my responsibility as the owner.
 

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you can justify it any which way you want. you said you would leave a man to die for your cat. you would sit there and analyze a persons financial situation and there ability, or inability to leave a soon-to-be disaster area for the sake of a cat.

thats cold. im not judging you or saying your a bad person. you have reasons to go along with an irrational bond to your cat. i wouldn't save a thousand cats lives over one homeless mans life. you would have to do a lot more then rely on handouts to be valued less then a feline in my book.
 

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you can justify it any which way you want. you said you would leave a man to die for your cat. you would sit there and analyze a persons financial situation and there ability, or inability to leave a soon-to-be disaster area for the sake of a cat.

thats cold. im not judging you or saying your a bad person. you have reasons to go along with an irrational bond to your cat. i wouldn't save a thousand cats lives over one homeless mans life. you would have to do a lot more then rely on handouts to be valued less then a feline in my book.
In no way, shape or form am I basing my decision on anyones financial position. People of every type feel they deserve what they have not earned.
 

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My dogs are my family members, if that happened to any one of them, I would go after anyone and everyone.

A lot of the owners left their pets behind knowing that they would return because they physically couldn't bring their pets with them. Any owner who loved their pets would have left plenty of food and water of the dog/cat while they were absent... To have some POS come into the house and kill the dog for no reason (was probably barking and bothering the cop :rolleyes: ) makes my blood boil.

Grrrrr
 
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