[Janq]

These things look nice, does anybody have any first hand eperience or opinions toward any one of the following?

930 Autoloader

http://www.mossberg.com/products/default.asp?id=10&section=products

835® Ulti-Mag® Tactical Turkey™ Hunting Series

http://www.mossberg.com/products/default.asp?id=19&section=products

535 ATS™ All-Terrain Shotgun

http://www.mossberg.com/products/default.asp?id=11&section=products

- Janq

 

[ORCA]

Wow Tactical Turkey... Are them birds really worth the tactical?

Sry Janq no first hand expereince here. They do look nice though.

 

[fatcat]

Ive held the last one at work kinda like the last one and I like the way it feels... But I would think it would hurt like hell shooting turkey loads in it.

 

[Ducman]

I have read that the 930 is a nice gun for the price.

what is your primary use for the gun?

 

[Nose Nuggets]

mmmmm tactical turkey is so much better then just regular butterball.

 

[Adler]

Problem with Mossberg autos is that they never have a long production life which means parts availability is going to be an issue down the line. I know the older 5500 and 9200 were ok as long as you just shot light field loads in them, or they busted. The 930 is better I hear but I would take a used Remington 11-87 or 1100 well before a new Mossberg 930.

 

[Ducman]

Problem with Mossberg autos is that they never have a long production life which means parts availability is going to be an issue down the line. I know the older 5500 and 9200 were ok as long as you just shot light field loads in them, or they busted. The 930 is better I hear but I would take a used Remington 11-87 or 1100 well before a new Mossberg 930.

I would agree with Adler here, the 11-87 / 1100 is the 1911 of shotguns, lots of parts, big aftermarket and they run great.

My 11-87 sportsman run great with light target loads #8 at 1145fps and with reduced recoil slugs. My dad just got an 1100 Tac4 for 3Gun, very nice, runs great also

 

[Janq]

I was thinking toward HD and 3-Gun use for a shot gun in general, which ever make & model I do decide on as a final.
I'm partial to autos than pump but would not exclude pump.

I've heard same Adler toward Mossy autos of the past in so far as long term reliability upon constant to hard use.
If I spend money on one I'm definitely surely going to train with and use it.

- Janq

 

[Ducman]

I was thinking toward HD and 3-Gun use for a shot gun in general, which ever make & model I do decide on as a final.
I'm partial to autos than pump but would not exclude pump.

I've heard same Adler toward Mossy autos of the past in so far as long term reliability upon constant to hard use.
If I spend money on one I'm definitely surely going to train with and use it.

- Janq

If you are going to do 3Gun. you will shoot limited or tactical. I would highly recommend the Remmy 1100 Tac4 with a 22'' barrel. basically it is all setup for it, minus the easy loader
http://www.remington.com/tactical/tactical_shotguns.asp

add a DMW easy loader...so loading is easier Its a must have
http://shootersconnection.com/store...d=453&osCsid=c930b9e19ec726492b69ebeebd34914d
I think they are around $700

the Tac4 comes with multiple chokes.. definately the way to go. I use Improved and mod for steel, depending on the range

 

[Mach5]

I'd like to take that 930 SPX out on a test spin.

I've always wanted a 9200A1 Jungle Gun but can never find one.

 

[Janq]

Duc,

I asked you this like 2yrs. ago when it first came out and then you had no feeling as you were not aware/familiar with it since it was brand new to market, but how do you feel about the the FN SLP and FN MkII? I'd very much like to try my hand at 3-Gun with a lean toward 'tactical' and I'm thinking for my purposes of combined HD/Competition that either of these will fit the bill with minor if any modification/customization.

FNH Self-Loading Police (SLP) Shotgun

FN SLP Mark I (Which is basically a Winchester SX2 Practical Mk I only with an 18" rather than 22" barrel)

http://www.fnhusa.com/products/firearms/family.asp?fid=FNF005&gid=FNG002

For home defense conventional wisdom has always been get a pump and make it a Remy 870 or Mossy 500/590 for sake of absolute reliability even when coated in a thick covering of dust and/or rust. My friends IRL have advised same although unlike them I'd be actually trying to take it out and use the thing more often than never to once in a while as they do. Most of them keep a cheap short barreled pump shotty around for nothing more than HD purposes. Thats actually where I got the idea toward a turkey gun from. The camo on the Mossys turn me off but I'd be okay with looking like a dork at a 3-gun match as long as I can be competitive and hit steel. It wouldn't be the first time I've shown up with oddball looking/motif gear toward competition.

Anyway I'm not sold on pump only for HD though as modern day auto shotguns have gotten to be pretty darn good and reliable across a multiple of loadings and ammo today is better than it used to be as well.
I just want to be sure I invest in a product that meets all my needs in preferably a singular tidy and efficient package.

Oh and I've also been thinking about my wife.
Rather than 12 ga. to looking at a lighter recoil easier to manage 10 ga. toward a person who otherwise would never train. That is actually how I wound up looking again at the Mossberg site in looking for their options in 10 ga. and then boom I come across these new product family offerings which I'd not heard of before...not that I have kept a good eye on Mossberg as of late.
Remington has some 10 ga. 870 offerings and they seem to be competitively priced.

I'm just doing homework and thinking outloud toward all potential angles because I just hate to have buyers remorse or to waste coin.

Thanks ahead of time!

- Henry

 

[Ducman]

Janq,

10g is heavier than 12g, you might want to look 20g, more and more people are shooting 20g in 3gun, light recoil, but there are not as many choices for loads,

I still don't know much about the FNH, other than everything they make is nice.
since the Mark I is the same as the SX2, it should be real nice. But there is a reason that the 2 most popular 3gun shotguns are the 1100/11-87 and the benelli Ms, the benelli are dead reliable and the remmy are very soft shooting. Remmy take a little more maintance to keep up and running, but less than what you are use to for a 1911,

I tried ghostrings on a 11-87P. didn't like them, but I never like to lose sight of the front post. My 11-87 runs a vented rib with a fiber optic bead and will soon have a Trijicon red dot on it.

I have been told, but can not confirm, that the FNH SLP is the same gun as the Mossberg 930 spx.

I wouldn't go pump for home defense, auto will run, especially with the right ammo, and its to easy to short stroke a pump when in a hurry, try running bill drills with a pump. 6 shots as fast as you can 7 yards, you'll short stroke.

Between the FNH and Remmy Tac4, I would go Tac4

 

[Janq]

Sorry...I totally meant 20ga!

I was typing in a hurry while on the phone and rushing to get off so I could get the truck over to the dealership before my father inlaw arrived to pick me up and ride me home.
I just got back...

Yeah FNH makes some very nice stuff and the prices aren't awful (yet) for the quality. I just don't know anyone IRL who has actually owned one although all internet reports and reading via users indicates the SLP is solid.

I've heard same on the internets toward the 930 SPX being an SLP, but it's all been from sources of conjecture as they look similar. The receivers though are not same in style and Mossberg swears in it's marketing that they make it and in the USA. The SLP is based on a Winchester as well but offhand I forget what model.

I'm concerned about pump for HD for the _exact_ same reason you state.
I've short stroked a pump shotgun before and that was from just foolin around not having my ass on the line. Repeatedly.
Also I know from years of paintball competition with a pump marker (WGP based 'Sniper II' for the 'ballers reading) that it takes _lots and lots_ of practice/training to get good with a pump action under fire/stress and even then you will short stroke and pinch a ball/jam the action.
I want low maint. and highest functionality with good to great accuracy, as have been my 1911s.

I'll check into the Tac4 which IIRC is also a new model line for '07.

Thanks!

- Henry

P.S. - Dude sorry about that late PM. I've been so damn busy this summer with work and fielding guests. Over the past 10 wks. we've had guests every week and/or weekend but for three. This week we have a friend arriving from NYC tomorrow to stay through Friday morning and then my sister and her husband fly in from MD Friday night to stay through Tuesday and they are the last scheduled visitors for the summer. Our house has become folks new vacation spot and drop off point. After that I'm off to DC for end of the quarter meetings and to speak at an annual industry conference.
I've been going to shoot during the early Saturday morning, late Saturday night (at close), and/or during the week knocking off for 2 hrs. if I can to shoot and get back before rush hour starts.
Life right now is bananas at my house. :|
Next I'm off to research and review 'sub-compact' grade tractor offerings from Kubota and JD...

 

[Adler]

I had a 9200 Crown Grade Mossy. Compared to my Remington 1100 magnum or my Browning Auto 5 it had horrible balance, a rough trigger, and just was overall poor in the ergonomics department. I got rid of it within weeks and bought a couple more S&W 1000 12ga autos, my favorite clay busters. The mossy 9200 and 5500 really remind me of my experience with the Winchester 1400 series. They work for the average guy but they are not as comfortable, collectible, or reliable as the better guns.

As for the FN auto shottys they are just Winchester Super X 2 and Browning Golds in a tactical disguise so they are nice.

 

[Janq]

That's it...Browning Gold is the SLP! ^^

Thanks Adler. Yep it's a Gold with a shortened barrel and done up in black with synthetic furniture.

- Janq

 

[Jeremy]

I have both the tactical and thumbhole turkey guns, they are very comfy to shoot but not for comp or HD. Unless you have large hands the tang saftey is very hard to operate without movingyour hand off the grip. When using it in the field I actually work the safe with my off hand, since the pistol/thumbhole allows me a strong enough hold to work it this way.

 

[Janq]

Update:

I've been checking around and I'm thinking the 835 Ulti-Mag Tactical Turkey will best match my specific range of desires in functionality and usefulness.

Product review sources include; http://www.nrapublications.org/tar/835.asp and http://www.outdoorlife.com/outdoor/gear/article/0,19912,1186203,00.html

I've been seeing prices for these new via Buds at $369.
That is a double plus which means I'll have budget money left over as opposed to the FNH.
Now off to Dick's some time this week to touch one and see how it feels.

- Janq

 

[Jeremy]

While you're there you may want to check out 1 of these.
http://www.remington.com/products/f...exclusives/model_870_express_7-shot_20-ga.asp

They run in the 500_550$ range. they are vary vary soft shooting in the 20ga and the saftey is much more managable, the sights aren't real great but it's a shotty so you shouldn't be using them anyway.

 

[Janq]

I just called my local Dick's and they don't have or carry the 835 Tactical Turkey.
They do though have the thumbhole version on clearance for $349 marked down from $379.

Additionally they have the 535 ATS Turkey Thumbhole which is camo in the same scheme as the 835 as well as available in black.

The sales guy said that they don't sell 'tactical' anything type shotguns because of MA laws. They had a Remington 870 Tactical in stock for 6 mos. and when it finally sold it was not reordered because of this, he said.
I'm not aware of a reference in law toward shotgun grips in specific and in a cursory search can't find as much in the MA General Laws nor the 2007 MA fish & wildlife abstract.

Argh....
Maybe I need to go to VT to buy one and then bring it back to MA (?)

- Janq

P.S. - Jeremy that is too tacticool looking in appearance for my intent.
Yes, I know it's effectively the same as the Mossy but I'm trying to follow within a realm of non-sensical attitude and view. :\

 

[Ducman]

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The sales guy said that they don't sell 'tactical' anything type shotguns because of MA laws. They had a Remington 870 Tactical in stock for 6 mos. and when it finally sold it was not reordered because of this, he said.
I'm not aware of a reference in law toward shotgun grips in specific and in a cursory search can't find as much in the MA General Laws nor the 2007 MA fish & wildlife abstract.

Argh....
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Pump shotguns are excempt from the MA AWB and the large capacity laws
There may be wildlife laws regarding capacity limits... don't know those laws