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Negative Nancy
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I'm doing some 'market research' so bear with me regarding lack of specifics :)

would you buy a rifle that:
is chambered in .223
has a 16" barrel
has an AK bolt system
out shoots an AR
weighs ~ 6lbs dry
has four picatinnys in the 12, 3, 6, 9 o clock positions
beats the crap out of ARs and some AKs in reliability.

and if so what do you think a non regrettable price would be? <1K, >1k?

forgive me for all the lack of description, the reason being that the rifle doesn't quite exist yet.
 

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Dont think one exists. The AK bolt system is inherantly inaccurate. A Galil or valmet would be the closest in the accuracy dept, but would lack the rails you wish.
 

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Negative Nancy
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Adler said:
Dont think one exists. The AK bolt system is inherantly inaccurate. A Galil or valmet would be the closest in the accuracy dept, but would lack the rails you wish.
yes, i know it doesn't exist...yet. and there's nothing inherently inaccurate about an AK bolt. what hampers the AK is the large reciprocating mass as well as loose tolerances to increase manufacturability and reliability.

you still didn't answer the question either! =Þ
 

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I wouldnt pay shit since I dont like the 223.

An AK bolt is inherantly inaccurate because an AK type bolt requires an AK type bolt carrier.....that large mass you were reffering to. Just because something has a 3 lug rotating bolt does not make it an AK bolt. Id rather see a tilting block, much more accurate.
 

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Adler said:
I wouldnt pay shit since I dont like the 223.

An AK bolt is inherantly inaccurate because an AK type bolt requires an AK type bolt carrier.....that large mass you were reffering to. Just because something has a 3 lug rotating bolt does not make it an AK bolt. Id rather see a tilting block, much more accurate.
much more pain in the ass to headspace.

the reason i say AK bolt is that it's the first use of that shape that I am aware of. if you can point me to an earlier example, it would be welcome. i'm sorry you think a 3 lug rotating bolt needs a ton of bolt carrier mass. it doesn't. it needs the same amount that any locking gun needs, enough store the energy to unlock the bolt and pull it fully to the rear.

how exactly is a tilting block more accurate?
 
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