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As reported via KOLD News 13 (Arizona)

House passes gun storage bill

Associated Press - June 4, 2007 7:14 PM ET

PHOENIX (AP) - The House on Monday approved a bill to let a person take a gun into a public event or building if the operator doesn't provide individually locked storage spaces for weapons.

The House's 32 to 23 vote sent the bill to the Senate to consider changes made in the House. Senate passage would send the bill to Gov. Janet Napolitano.

Current state law allows the operators of public buildings and events to ban weapons but if they do they have to provide storage places for weapons.

The bill specifies that an operator would have to provide and supervise locked storage place for weapons and requires that gun owners be provided the keys for the lockboxes for their weapons. Also, if the required storage space isn't available, then a gun owner would be permitted to enter with the weapon.

Backers of the bill say it respects the rights of gun owners lawfully carrying firearms, while opponents said it would be better for people to leave their guns at home rather than taking them into events such as professional sports contests.

The report can be found at; http://www.kold.com/Global/story.asp?S=6610720

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thank god


no more ignoring signs as i enter - LOL


now - if it continues and the dang govenor signs it



the good part is - if they DONT provide lock boxes, they cannot stop you from CCW.
 

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I'm not keen on this law.

So what if they do provide boxes...then what?
You're a sheep again and the hyena know you are in an arena of the toothless _and_ they know exactly where the dentures are kept and thus to either raid that area or cut it off as their mates go on with their plunder.

No thanks I'll carry inside on the sly and if found out I'll just leave.
Or, I'll choose not to go to said place to start.

Also this now becomes an additional expense toward businesses.
They should have the right to ask customers to not carry inside even as we, pro-CCW types, feel otherwise. Now they have to spend coin from their own pocket to support as much when yesterday all they had to do was put up a decent sized sign.

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I agree with Janq on this. the owner should have the right to prevent CCW on their property, after all it is theirs. The only ones that should not have this right is property owned by the public, such as federal property.
 

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The article says "public event or building". Maybe privately owned places still make thier own rules. That would make the most sense.

There is no way they could say that anyone can walk into a privately owned building with a gun and there is nothing the owner can do about it.

That would be pretty absurd, even by gub'ment standards.
 

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Diddy,

Public events can be anything from a play or opera or circus or sporting event to well anything. As well all publicly accessible building are 'public buildings' including your local food mart, shopping mall, car dealership, movie theater, to anywhere.
Privately owned public buildings are all over the place.

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this is the passage i was specifically speaking of:

"Also, if the required storage space isn't available, then a gun owner would be permitted to enter with the weapon."



most places are NOT go to go to the trouble of creating a secured lockbox enviroment

this includes state buildings - such as DMV and the like.

this bill was introduced because the large sports arenas didnt want folks ccw'n to events - but didnt want them left in the vehicles either

also - understand in AZ you CAN NOT ccw in a place that sells alcohol, period.


i understand the concern - but i think its a good move


you could always go in on the sly - again, if found out - you would just be asked to leave




i think of it this way - i wont have to look at the ground when entering costco or the mall anymore!
 

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here is a copy of the amended bill being passed back to the senate:


State of Arizona

Senate

Forty-eighth Legislature

First Regular Session

2007



SENATE BILL 1251


AN ACT


amending sections 13-3102.01 and 13-3112, Arizona Revised Statutes; amending section 38-1102, Arizona Revised Statutes, as added by Laws 2007, chapter 79, section 1; relating to weapons.


(TEXT OF BILL BEGINS ON NEXT PAGE)



Be it enacted by the Legislature of the State of Arizona:

Section 1. Section 13-3102.01, Arizona Revised Statutes, is amended to read:

START_STATUTE13-3102.01. Storage of deadly weapons; definitions

A. If An operator of a public establishment or a sponsor of a public event requests may request that a person who is carrying a deadly weapon, remove the weapon, only if the operator or sponsor shall provide provides temporary and secure storage. The storage shall be readily accessible on entry into the establishment or event and allow for the immediate retrieval of the weapon on exit from the establishment or event. A weapon that is removed shall be placed by the owner in secure storage under the supervision of the operator or the sponsor or the agent of the operator or sponsor and the owner of the weapon shall retain the key. The operator or the sponsor shall not require or record:

1. The serial number of any weapon that is placed in secure storage.

2. The identity of the person placing the weapon in secure storage, except on a temporary basis, in order to verify the identity of the person upon the return of the weapon. Any records used for this purpose must be returned to the person along with the weapon.

B. If the operator of a public establishment or the sponsor of a public event, or the operator's or sponsor's agent fails to meet the requirements of this section, the operator, sponsor or agent shall not request or demand that a person place a weapon in secure storage. The presence of any security measures does not relieve an operator or a sponsor from the requirements of this section.

B. C. This section does not apply to the licensed premises of any public establishment or public event with a license issued pursuant to title 4, or to a public event where control of security has been transferred to the United States secret service pursuant to 18 United States Code section 3056a.

C. D. The operator of the establishment or the sponsor of the event or the employee of the operator or sponsor or the agent of the sponsor, including a public entity or public employee, is not liable for acts or omissions pursuant to this section unless the operator, sponsor, employee or agent intended to cause injury or was grossly negligent.

D. E. or For the purposes of this section: ,

1. "Public establishment" and "public event" have the same meanings prescribed in section 13‑3102.

2. "Readily accessible" means within close proximity to the main public entrance to any public establishment or public event. END_STATUTE

Sec. 2. Section 13-3112, Arizona Revised Statutes, is amended to read:
 

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here is the original:

SB 1251 requires that an operator of a public establishment can request that a person carrying a deadly weapon remove the weapon only if a numbered, key operated and affixed lock box is provided for the weapon within 200 feet of the main public entrance.



History


Statute states that if a person enters a public establishment or event and fails to remove a deadly weapon upon request, he or she is guilty of misconduct. Currently, statute requires an operator of a public establishment or a sponsor of a public event who does not permit deadly weapons into the establishment or event to provide an accessible, temporary and secure storage facility for the weapons, with some exceptions. An operator or sponsor who holds a license to sell and serve liquor is not required to provide weapon storage for the licensed premises. An operator, sponsor, employee or agent is not liable for acts or omissions that occur due to the provision of storage, unless he or she intended to cause injury or was grossly negligent.



Statute defines public establishment as a structure, vehicle or craft that is owned, leased or operated by this state or a political subdivision. Examples include a city hall, the courts and public buses. A public event is a specifically named or sponsored event of limited duration either conducted by a public entity or conducted by a private entity with a permit or license. Public events include the State Fair, the Tempe Block Party and the P. F. Chang’s Rock ’n’ Roll Marathon.



Provisions
· Specifies that an operator of a public establishment can request that a person carrying a deadly weapon remove the weapon only if a numbered, key operated and affixed lock box is provided for the weapon.

· Specifies that the weapon shall be placed in that secure storage by the owner who shall retain the key and that the storage shall be within 200 feet of the main public entrance of the establishment or event.

· Prohibits the operator of the establishment from requiring or recording the identity of the owner or the serial number of any weapon placed in secure storage.

· Stipulates that the presence of security measures does not relieve the operator from the requirements.

· Exempts these requirements for a public event where control of security has been transferred to the United States Secret Service.

· Provides definitions.



Amendments:

Government

· Allows the operator to record the identity of the person placing the weapon in storage in order to verify identity upon the return of the weapon, but any record used for identification shall also be returned to the person when the weapon is returned.
 
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