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Last year I bought a Gerber Applegate-Fairbairn Covert Double Bevel and I've enjoyed it.
The only thing is it's for my hands a bit too small and I find myself fumbling when attempting to open it. The handle is too small.
So I think I may order the full size 'Combat' version which is significantly larger but is less easy to carry covertly in ones pocket.

Do you knife guys have any ideas toward where I might find one on super discount and/or what alternatives might you suggest?
I don't want to pay more than $40 and other suggestions must be similar in functionality as the Gerber Covert/Combat.

http://www.gerberknifestore.com/site/1586704/product/5785

Gerber Applegate-Fairbairn Covert Double Bevel

$113.40

The Covert is the second in Gerber's line of Applegate-Fairbairn folding tactical knives. Designed by former OSS officer, Col. Rex Applegate, the Covert is a 3/4 scale, pocket clip version of the original Applegate-Fairbairn Combat Folder. Col Rex Applegate, with over 40 years of knife design experience, is legendary in the world of knife design and hand-to-hand combat. The Covert has a blade length of 3.75 inches, making it legal to carry in most municipalities. Click for larger image.



Item Number 5785

Price $113.40

Features
* 154CM double bevel blade
* Reinforced handle
* Patented Roto-Lock
http://www.gerberknifestore.com/site/1586704/product/5780

Gerber Applegate-Fairbairn Combat Double Bevel

$109.00

This is the original Applegate-Fairbairn folder offered by Gerber. This large Combat folder is the collaborative effort of Colonel Rex Applegate, Bill Harsey and Butch Vallotin. This large folder was designed for military and police type applications. It is constructed with full stainless steel liners and a sturdy liner lock mechanism. A tough ballistic nylon sheath comes with the knife and is designed to allow carry in either an up and down position or a sideways position. A right / left thumb stud system make this knife highly functional for right or left handers. Click for larger image.



Features
* Uncommon strength and balance
* Patented Roto-Lock
* One-hand opening

Specifications

Weight 7.4 oz

Closed length 5.64"
Blade length 4.48"

Blade material
420HC Stainless Steel
Handle material
Glass-filled nylon
Sheath material
Ballistic nylon
Thanks ahead of time.

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Bruce,

Here is an example of what I'm talking about regarding lost information... ^^
This thread was into it's second page by Friday and it had lots of really good info, feedback, and links from Ducman toward sources that I've been checking into.

I'd planned to bump it and get back at Ducman amongst others with the results of my findings some time this week.
But...all that info is gone (?).

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Janq,

Here are the links if you need them'


www.1sks.com

http://newgraham.com/

www.bestkives.com

I just picked up a Syderco Delica Wave. http://spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=227
I was looking for a EDC that would open as I drew it from the pocket. So far the knife has been great. It open quickly and easily from all different type of pants and shorts. Much faster than I can open any other of my knives. As it is clearing you pocket, the blade is alreay coming open.

It is light weight so I don't notice it in my pocket when I run, something I can't say about my Benchmade HK14200 http://www.benchmade.com/products/product_detail.aspx?model=14200

Spyderco weighs 2.5 oz compared to 5.6oz benchmade

The texturing on the grip seems to be more than adequate.

The knife doesn't feel as solid as my benchmade, but also does not have the heft and size of the it. The Benchmade feels better in my hand, but then again it is bigger. Just as my fixed blade feel better than my folders.

If you are looking for a very quick knife to deploy, that is light to carry. and not expensive, the Spyderco Delica Wave might be something you want to look.



For EDC I would highly recommend it.

The next knife up in a week or 2 will be the Boke Subcom
http://bestknives.stores.yahoo.net/bo589sufo.html, the bostom friendly Knife
 

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Update:

Following a lot of reading and research I decided to follow the advice of Ducman and I yesterday ordered a Ka-Bar TDI Law Enforcement with a serrated blade.
I found one on sale via Botach for $25.


Mfr. - https://www.kabar.com/product_detai...categoryId=1,7,9&categoryName=Law Enforcement
Supplier - http://www.botac.com/katdilawenkn.html

Consistent with what Duc had indicated prior (his post was lost during the data loss but I did not forget his words) all indications from real world users point toward this product filling the exact niche and desire I have.
I won't be using it to cut string and open boxes, I've got box cutters and scissors for that kind of work. This though will serve as an alternative/secondary personal defense item that with a fully serrated edge blade should and as reported by others does prove to be quite adept at it's purposeful use.

Thanks again for the advisory Duc. :)

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No problem Janq. Before you buy next time, give me a ring, If I have it, I let you try it out before you purchase it, If you ever respond to your PMs, this included the guns too :)
 

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hold the phone here. what advantage do you think the serration is going to provide as a personal defense option? Serration is for sawing back and forth motions. a straight blade or non serrated grind is for slicing. i dont know how much sawing you plan on taking part in.
 

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NN,

Correct serrations are excellent at sawing motions, and they are great at tearing motions as well as leaving nasty wounds and cutting into tissue resulting in much blood loss, shock, and thoughts of oh lawd I better flee before he hurts me worse.
A stabbing and or slicing motion is in and down, or up depending on angle of attack.

In my own case for self defense if I had to cut someone it very likley would be on the streets and not at a blue lagoon. Most folk on the streets wear multiple layers of clothing as armor against their skin and that clothing will very likely be dense denim, cotton, and in colder temps canvas or leather. Not to mention two, three, or four layers of clothing which where I'd might find myself being accosted would most likely be double or even triple oversized.

If I'd expected to be jumped in a shower or at the pool by folks wearing nothing but their skin then a straight edge would be more than fine. But as I'm already planning for the worst case of scenarios and I personally believe (and learned the hard hurtful way) that in a fight there are no rules just winners and hospitalized people...I'm going for the highest point practical advantage.

As based on real world past results and current statistics toward my own specific life conditions including race, age, gender, and the area I commonly travel within, I will most likely, if at all, be mistaken for game/prey by the following armored types...

Youth and same aged persons who look just like me and who don't understand why or accept that I don't roll like folk on MTV/BET and thus assume my name is 'Mark Buster Poindexter Jr.'


Off-leash "nice dogs"


So called "harmless" crazy/mentally ill people


Serrated edge knives slice through pretty much everything and meat like a hot straight edge knife through butter and thus mission accomplished.

- Janq

P.S. - That kid I found random via GIS and he looks just like me, seriously. I felt weird for even using his pic toward this subject and yet my rational side tells me that regardless of how my emotions and feelings are the fact is I know the truth and it's not pretty. That makes me sad in my heart but it doesn't render my eyes blind.
 

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The TDi is not really a slicing knife. Blade is to short and the angle of the grip is wrong. The serrated blade will do good damage with a short stroke compared to a plain blade. also it is a better blade to punch with.
 

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As well I'm not concerned toward a slashing effect anyway.
IRL I've never seen a knifing go down like this...



It's always been very much upclose, direct, and chest to chest.
A straight edge blade is good for slashing clothes and slicing a persons face or other soft exposed skin. A serrated edge on the the other hand will cut through most whatever with ease relative to a straight edge blade. I was testing this yesterday on cardboard and paper boxes I'd put out for recycling.
Either blade type is fine for stabbing so that much is a wash functionally.

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The knife arrived today and damn you should have seen my wifes eyes when I removed it from the box and unsheathed it.
She knew going in it was going to be a knife but I had not told her anything more beyond that. She physically leaned back in her chair which was across the dinner table from me. That was a sub-concious reaction on her part.

This thing just looks mean.

I'm surprised at how thick the metal is.
This blade will never break or snap under stress.
The sharpness itself doesn't seem to me to be as sharp as I'd expect at the flats but the tip is damn pointy and the way it's cut it'll likely pierce an 1/8th inch of metal if plunged in.

For the price I'm satisfied.
It is somewhat larger than I'd thought it might be and as such I'm glad I didn't go for the larger version as I'd initially thought to do. Bigger is not better as that would have been extraordinarily difficult to conceal.

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Janq, I purchased another knife to substitute my Ka-Bar with when I can't wear a belt or simply need a more concealed folding knife. I'll let you know how it works out as it is VERY similar to what you are looking for. They have 2 styles.

The tasman salt

This is considered to be a "sporting" knife in the fishing industry, and that helps keep it in a better light if you ever do use it and end up in court. This is the knife I purchased.

The spider edge

This is considered a tactical knife with one purpose, to slice people. They say this right on their web page. They are both similar, but the classification between the two is night and day. This one is also twice the price.

I can not recommend either as I do not have physical possession of them, but what I have read so far sounds favorable. I'll be sure to give a good update when I receive the knife.
 

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Update:

I picked for 50% off at a local store going out of business a KaBar TDI training knife (orange handle unsharpened blade) and a large sized version of the KaBar TDI only it's blade is half serrated with a drop point. I wanted a fully serrated or a tanto tip with serrations but they had neither available.

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your right that a serrated blade is better at going through clothes and leather, but only in a sawing motion. a straight edge will cut better with stabs a slashes. do you see yourself chest to chest with an offender, sawing at his leather jacket? in single slashes a straight edge is more effective. they are also more durable, and easier to sharpen.
 

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NN,

I wouldn't slash and haven't been taught nor have experience to do that.

I would plunge pierce forward and down and at angle to how ever I'm standing and then pull out straight on the down stroke. The serrations will run through clothing and meat/sinew like butter. My attacker I would close distance with him and even embrace him so as to allow my armed self to better reach and puncture his torso or neck, repeatedly. Also fighting a person up close for most average people is more difficult then doing so at an arms reach or greater. Most people do not want to get up close, it makes them fearful and for good reason.
As to slashing that doesn't dissuade but the weakest willed of attacker, which likely wouldn't choose me in specific as a target as opposed to some easier looking mark. At least as based on past to current results for myself, in being scanned and either allowed to pass (left alone/assessed as not worth the trouble) or in the times I have been mistaken for game.
More determined and angry or outright crazy persons won't let a little surface wounding stop them. It might slow them down a tic, for a moment, but they'll be back on you on general principle at that point as now you've disrespected them.
Yes, I know that makes no sense and is illogical but thats the way it goes on the streets. I'll take every advantage and will cheat too, as will the streets. Straight blade is fine and great while serrations they are even better.

Seriously do not take my word for it though.
Just ask any EMT or ER nurse who has worked trauma at a major city hospital toward street combatants and use of serrated edge knives.
Results are most gruesome (blood loss), painfull, and effective, when the blade is serrated as opposed to slashing wounds or even straight blade piercing. Ask them if they had to be 'cut' what blade type would they prefer it not to be.

BTW keep in mind this knife does not have alligator teeth style serrations like say with a wood saw, which might be what you guys are thinking of in your mind as related to serrated blades which isjust one type of serration amongst many...


https://www.kabar.com/product_detai...categoryId=1,7,9&categoryName=Law Enforcement

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Janq said:
I would plunge pierce forward and down and at angle to how ever I'm standing and then pull out straight on the down stroke.
that would be considered a slash. one or two unidirectional motions, one in, one out. with the blade at an angle. a slash is not necessarily across. and not necessarily a shallow wound.

im just relaying what i have observed from demonstrating and selling knives.
 

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Nose Nuggets said:
that would be considered a slash. one or two unidirectional motions, one in, one out. with the blade at an angle. a slash is not necessarily across. and not necessarily a shallow wound.

im just relaying what i have observed from demonstrating and selling knives.
Understood and appreciated.

When I say plunge a knife into someone I mean plunge it piercing into their body. That is not a slash nor is the resulting wound shallow.
Again I would not slash, I'd cut a bitch. I've learned that slashing is a waste of time and energy. Get it in, pull it down and out, leave.
The serrations are excellent for as much and no sawing is required. The serrations on the push in or pull out motion in a single motion bite and cut right through and with a minimum of downward pressure too. A straight blade requires more downward pressure/force to cut through meat.

I'm just relaying from what I've seen first hand, done myself, have been advised by persons who have worked with stabbing victims, and I have been stabbed as in puncture (oddly hurts less than a slash, at first) as well as slashed a couple times too.

The bottom line is I'd already made my buying decision and purchase last August.

- Janq
 
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