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As featured at FoxNews.com:

Flawed Laws Help Stalkers Victimize Women

Tuesday, April 10, 2007

By John Lott and Sonya Jones

What do you do when the police can’t protect you?

Police may be the single most important factor for reducing crime, but there is something the police themselves understand: They almost always arrive at the crime scene after the crime has occurred.

Expecting people to trust the police to protect them and to behave passively is a recipe for disaster.

The last couple of weeks have seen a couple prominent murders where restraining orders did women little good. Numerous news organizations, such as ABC News, have run headlines asking "How Do You Stop a Stalker From Killing You?"

Unfortunately, despite acknowledging that "many women find themselves on their own," the media are drawing the wrong lessons. To simply advise that women "Get the hell away from him" often doesn't go anywhere near far enough.

With her tragic murder last Monday on the campus of the University of Washington, Rebecca Griego learned this the hard way. Twice she had filed for restraining orders against her abusive and physically violent former boyfriend, Jonathan Ghulam-Nabi Rowan, but the police didn’t know where he lived and could never serve him.

It wasn’t like they didn’t try, for in January they couldn’t even locate Rowan for an outstanding warrant for a drunk driving conviction.

Rowan made Rebecca’s life hell. In police reports as well as her request for a restraining order, she described Rowan as a "suicidal alcoholic” who had “punched,” “slammed” and “thrown” her to the ground.

To no avail, she moved a couple of times and changed her cell phone number. Nevertheless, on March 7 and 14, Rowan called her at work, threatening both her and her dog. He then called and threatened Rebecca’s older sister.

But restraining orders often aren't worth the paper on which they're written, even when they are served.

For a stalker intent on killing his victim or committing suicide after the attack, the penalty for violating a restraining order is irrelevant. With Seattle police's response time of seven minutes for the highest-priority emergency calls, the police simply can't be there to protect you even with a restraining order. Seven minutes can seem like an eternity.

With such rampant failures in the system, there is one piece of advice that could have saved Rebecca’s life: Practice self-defense and a get a gun.

Indeed, the University of Washington goes in the opposite direction and tries to protect people by declaring the campus a “gun-free zone,” with the school’s code of conduct banning the “possession or use of firearms ... except for authorized university purposes.”

Gun-free zones may be well-intentioned, but good intentions are not enough. It is an understandable desire to ban guns; after all, if you ban guns from an area, people can’t get shot, right? But time after time when these public shootings occur, they disproportionately take place in gun-free zones.

It is the law-abiding good citizens who would only use a gun for protection who obey these bans. Violating a gun-free zone at a place such as a public university may mean expulsion or firing and arrest, real penalties for law-abiding citizens. But for someone intent on killing others, adding on these penalties for violating a gun-free zone means little to someone who, if still alive, faces life in prison.

Unfortunately, instead of gun-free zones ensuring safety for victims, ensuring that the victims are unarmed only makes things safer for attackers.

One of us conducted research with Bill Landes at the University of Chicago that examined all the multiple-victim public shootings in the United States from 1977 to 1999. We found that when states passed right-to-carry laws, these attacks fell by 60 percent. Deaths and injuries from multiple-victim public shootings fell on average by 78 percent.

To the extent that attacks still occurred, they overwhelmingly happened in the special places within right-to-carry states where concealed handguns were banned. The University of Washington is a good example of this.

There is no evidence that there are any more accidental gun deaths that occur from right-to-carry laws. Permit holders also tend to be extremely law-abiding.

Ironically, earlier this year University of Washington President Mark Emmert began consideration of making the school’s ban somehow apply to students living off campus as well. Students are sitting ducks on campus, but the change would make them vulnerable off campus as well.

Not only did the gun-free zones fail here, but it is extremely unlikely that Rowan could even legally own a gun. As a non-resident alien, Rowan needed an alien firearms license to even own a gun, something that rarely is granted.

There is an even simpler point to make. It is the physically weakest, women and the elderly, who benefit the most from having a gun to protect themselves. The U.S. Department of Justice's National Crime Victimization Survey has shown for decades that resistance with a gun is by far the safest course of action when one confronts a criminal.

Good intentions don't necessarily make good rules. What counts is whether the rules ultimately save lives. Unfortunately, too many rules primarily disarm law-abiding citizens, not criminals.

* John Lott is the author of the forthcoming book, "Freedomnomics" and the Dean's visiting Professor at the State University of New York at Binghamton.

Sonya Jones is a lawyer.

The feature including many references & links included within and relevant to the story can be found at; http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,264896,00.html

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The laws in most states are fucked. Especially in Cali.

We've been out here with my son and his mom all week. THe gangs are getting bad, sat night there was a little 3am run n gun battle between the cops n a banger. My house is in a caldisac with a 5' high brick wall bordering the street in the back, the only brick wall around so they always jump the wall to dodge the bullets and cut through the yard since the cops have to drive the hole way around to get to the front. This led to a lock down of the block and house to house search sunday ruined our Easter plans. I was pretty well jacked since the local PD can't find a hooker in a whore house and they took an hour searching everything in the house and garage.

Baby's momma was pretty pissed and told barney Fife next time she's grabbing a gun and shooting any1 in the back yard that has a gun and was told if you do that you'll be in jail. If you see some1 in the back you must leave the house through the front and not confront them or we'll have to arrest you. Barney gave my the hard look when i laughed.

lastnight more gun shots and bullets bouncing off the brick wall around midnight follow shortly by some1 trying to enter the backdoor which is solid and double dead bolted, you ain't getting in with out a ram. I was not in a good mood so while they dialed 911 I grabbed mossy went out the front and through the side gate but the banger was already running out the otherside. I didn't bother chasing since I figured running through the streets with a shotty would get me arrested.

Mr police officers shows up, she tells them what happened including the part about me going outside, WOMEN GRRR, thankfully she left out the part about the shotty. So they search everything for what I don't know, and then start 20 questions on me checking ID how long I'm staying, why I'm there and all that BS then chew me out for going out side "vigilanty style" and since i'm not a resident I shouldn't be getting involved LMAOOOO.

I told them this shit is getting bad, gun shots every night people running through the yard, you guys can't catch them you get one three more take his place and they come here because of this wall. I'll be a good boy, but if 1 bullet touch this house or comes anywhere near my son or his mother I'll be on the 1st flight back and the gang population is gonna go down real fucking fast you checked my ID so if you looked a little you know I'm better at their game than they are. I prolly shouldn't have said that since they threated to take me in right there but I was pretty fucking pissed.
 

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nice - what is the likely hood of getting babymomma to move?


i would have freaked after the first night of shootings and set up booby traps and anti-personel devices
 

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Yep.

I very seriously thought about buying several of these for the perimeter of my own property when we first moved here as college students had been generally treating our property like it was there own personal trash dump and shortcut toward where ever. The prior owners did not live on site year round and generally did not take care of the grounds so folk just took to do whatever they wanted.
My efforts toward keeping it clean, removing trash thrown up on our lawn, and 'talking' to trespassers & litterers has worked as we've had a near 99% reduction in issues of such since moving in.

But if I had gone forward with these I had been planning to run inline a garden sprayer canister filled with apple cider vinegar. The kind of canister you attach to your garden hose behind the sprayer when applying weed killer type product. While apple cider vinegar smells _awful_ and is non-corrosive. Get that shit on your clothing along with being wet and ones day/night will be ruined. Substituing the vinegar for a box of RIT brand clothing dye in a bright high viz color like pink or green would work as well for aiding police in tracking down BGs.

The Scarecrow sprayer can be found on sale at some locations but you gotta check around as the price seems to go up and down week to week.
As well spray paint the untis completely black, green, or brown for full camoflauge effect toward human critters.

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Another item you might use are exterior floodlights.

I have these all around the perimter of my houses physical structure.
Reason being in my case I have very many exterior doors and large antique/original single pane glass windows some being 7' tall by over 6' wide.
In my case the floodlights are activated by darkness and come on automatically at dusk and turn off at dawn. I manually turn on two additional lights each night at my front and side porches.
From the street my house looks like this...



No that is not my actual house it's just a random GIS to demonstrate what I mean by well illuminated.
Inlieu of light activation you might apply to some or an IR sensor toward movement. As well the lamps at my house are placed above ground on to the structure itself facing outward and downflooding the grounds and surrounding property/land preventing/reducing the dark shadow areas as shown in the above pics.

Another thing you might try is applying a thick continuous layer of roofing tar/goop or better yet membrane roof adhesive along the top edge of your brick fence. This will not be generally noticeable to you or any casual walker by from the street. Meanwhile as a jerk reaches up to grab and scale the edge of the wall will find himself in direct contact with this stuff which _does not_ come off skin, hair, or clothing without chemical assistance. As wellit remains very tacky even when exposed to the elements and it's durable being sun and rain resistant. I used to have a big bucket of the membrane roof goop stuff in my car barn from the previous owners but had the city come take it away as it's a HAZMAT item. I forget the official name of this stuff but ask at your local trade supply shop as they will know. This stuff is nasty and very very very sticky. The guys who picked it up told me it was a good thing I called as normally people throw it away in the general trash and it gets everywhere being pretty much impossible to remove. He also noted that if you get it on your skin (he wore thick elbow length rubber work gloves) while working with it that you basically are stuck with it for months.

These are just a few things that can be done on the cheap with a level of effectiveness to maintain the perimeter and not end up with a last resort action of having to shoot a 'banger in defense and then find yourself spending wayyyyyy more money and time in CA criminal and/or civil court.

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I will never live in CA or NY. I honestly can't understand how politicians and lawmakers in general can be so naive and stupid. :sigh:

c'est la vie
 

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Look, Cali is fucked and also the coolest state at the same time.

You can't do shit to defend yourself, but you CAN go snowboarding, swimming, hiking, ATV riding in the desert, and go to Disneyland all in one day.

Libbies think that the 5-0 will always be johnny on the spot, and that they are superheroes. They aren't. Cops need to be called FIRST, and that is almost always AFTER the crime has occured.

Also, I hear talk about libs wanting to take away stun guns. /rollseyes
 

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I'm not a big fan of most of that stuff Cali is actually good for. My dad lived there for a long time, believe you me, I hear its praises all the time but I just couldn't live there. Self-defence is indeed the prime right. (plus what seems to be their policy on car modification sure doesn't help) ;-)

-Petrus
 
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