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First time gun buyer in need of Guidence..

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Well, Come september 11th I'll legally be able to buy a Long arm. so get ready for a lot of illogical even stupid questions..

So far I've got 3,500 saved up and I know of a gun store locally that has some decent stuff according to friends who've been.

This being my first time I'm not quite sure what all I'll need to complete the purchase and not leave the owner nervous or sour about a 18 year old walking out of the store with a "Evil Black Rifle" (more precisely a AKS-74). I'm just pretty much nervous about the whole damn thing and graduating from a public school didn't help one bit. I got indoctrened into the whole "Guns are bad" crowd and up untill a year ago I would cringe at the thought of handling a real firearm. I'm also the type of person who dosen't like to look someone straight in the eye, something I picked up growing up don't ask..

I've never shot a real rifle before with the exception of a single shot .410 shotgun. And I only shot that 4 times.

I also have err.. some fear of bullets thats ilrational at best. I'm always afraid of one going off in my pocket or anotherone clanging into one and it going off. to give you a general idea I get in a cold sweat when I handle the 4 30-06 shells I have on my desk

I've also read into all my local laws regarding firearms via NRA.org, it claims that I can legally buy a handgun in this state at 18 but I'm still unsure. It also says that nobody shall have in possession a SBR even when registered with the ATF and all the taxes are paied ect so I'm taking a tape measure to the store to make sure what I buy is legal.

Umm lets see oh yes I'm also kind of finikey about putting parts onto a gun, I'm used to the whole airsoft deal (don't force it on it will break) mentallity. but from videos I've seen of them cleaning AKs and FALs it seems to take quite some force to get the bolt out and put bullets in the magazine. is this correct or will I end up with powder burns over 1/3rd my body if I try to use too much force with a bolt or handle. :D

oh yes and as for the gun choices I've found quite a few that I like. However I DO NOT want an AR-15, I've herd WAY too many bad things about them

FN PS-90 (Money is no object here, I plan to start reloading as soon as I can)
FN FS-2000
H&K G-3 CETME varient
AKM varient
Ruger 10/22 with the muzzlelite stock or the 5.56 version of it I beleive its called the mini 14/AC-556?
the ruger AC-556 (umm the mini 14 with the folding stock and scout scope mount):confused:
FN FAL (perferably full stock with the buffer tube inplace) :???:
Yugo SKS (however I hear most are in cosmoline thats hard to clean off?)
Remington 870 12 guage with a 8 shell extention and the barrel at full choke
M1 Garand (or the tanker model if they have it)

So I'm covered on long arms, if he dosent have one he'll most likely have the other.

As for sidearms if I'm legally premitted I'm thinking about these

TT-33 ( I've herd the safteys on these guns are NOT to be relied on, any input?)
Mauser Broomhandle (would like the 9x19 version that the chinamen used)
Walther P38
Browning Hi-power (I REALLY want the C&R version that can legally have the shoulder stock attached, however I'll have to check this out with a lawyer and my local Sheriff to see if the C&R status trumps state law or not :/)
VP-70
H&K MK23


Any Advice and Guidence is really appreicated, Especially with person to person interaction with the dealer. :cool:
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Adler said:
You know you have progressed as far as you can when you get up to the belted magnums and can hit accurately. My fav is the 375 H&H or the 376 Steyr is pretty fun as well if you can find both a gun and ammo
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Belted magnums?

I'm afraid to ask what .50 AE falls under :-D
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fatcat
50 action express is just a pistol round, (Bit to powerfull for anything for anything but fun plinking)

Friends got Desert Eagle, its bad ass, but it jams!
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Friends got Desert Eagle, its bad ass, but it jams unless you play counter strike or have hulks wrists!
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There fixed it for you :p
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You rbelted magnums are your hardcore safari big game calibers such as 375 Holland and Holland, 458 Winchester Magnum, 500 Nitro, and so on.

Things meant to kill elephants and rhinos.
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The belted mag's are a lot of fun if you can handle the noise and recoil. They're not for beginners, 1 bad experience with a mag can take years to over come. But once you work into them they're a hell of a lot of fun.

I have belted mag's in .30 and .40 caliber. They may not be any more accurate than a non mag round but they hit a hell of a lot harder. On the down side they put a " i can see it so I can hit it" chip on your shoulder so you take longer more difficult shots than you should, I speak from personal experience on that 1.

And don't over look the 9.3mm line of belted mag's not real popular in the US, we have that whole metric biased thing going, but they're great belted rounds.

Ohh and as for the rounds just going off, that doesn't happen. Even on the 1 in 10000000000 chance it does, the bullet pops off and the powder burns in the case. there is no resistance for the bullet to build any speed so it just pops off, won't even break skin. We use to hit .22 shells with a hammer lol
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Jeremy the 9.3x62 is a nice round for the CZ rifles. Im tempted to build one with a full length mannlicher stock in taht caliber once I get my reloader setup purchased. Also considering a Mauser 98 in 6.5x55
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Yeager said:
There fixed it for you :p
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HAHAHA! Very true...
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Yeager said:
oh yes and as for the gun choices I've found quite a few that I like. However I DO NOT want an AR-15, I've herd WAY too many bad things about them
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I don't know why this pisses me off so bad but...it does.

I've shot some beat up M4's and M16's in crappy conditions all around the world for the last 11 years and have never had any major problems with the weapon nor have I seen any other AR’s I work around with any major problems…and the minor problems I have seen had came from beat up mags or poor maintenance.

It’s nice that you’ve “heard” bad things about the AR…but nothing will replace hands on use and experience with it.

What sold me on the AR was this…

The first time I shot/qualified with a M16 was in basic training. The M16 I was issued was at lest 15 years old and had been shot, cleaned, field stripped and overall abused…I would bet at lest 5000 times by some “dumb private” that didn’t care about this rifle because he didn’t pay for it. Yet out on the range I could zero with a one hole shot group on the 25m target and hit the 300m target with open sights, every single time with this beat up weapon that wasn’t good enough for the front lines anymore.

I’m buying my 1st AR this month…not that it means anything…just my $.02


Yeager said:
Ruger 10/22
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This would be my pick
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http://www.madogre.com/Interviews/Hate_the_AR15.htm

:wink:
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its ok Mach5 I already got on him about that lol :)

People think they know guns just because they hear about them (Not talking about anyone here) just pisses me off, when people do that Il leave it at that..
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...i'm better now :p
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fatcat said:
its ok Mach5 I already got on him about that lol :)

People think they know guns just because they hear about them (Not talking about anyone here) just pisses me off, when people do that Il leave it at that..
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I'll buy an AR if it has a gas piston like the HK416 but I will not touch a stock AR
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lol... I know how you feel... got my first AR-15 when I was 13 years old been in love with the weapon system ever since

Nope Bushmaster is going to make a gas piston one soon to!
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The blindingly obvious fact is the AR-15 style of weapon has defended our country, myself and personal friends still in the US armed forces for years. You can say all the negative things you want about the AR-15 and all it's variants, but the reality is, it's a good weapons system.

The nice thing about the regulars here are most of us speak from first hand experience, not from "what we've heard" or posted on some website somewhere etc.

While it's your choice to not buy an AR, before you make opinions of this and that, it would be a good idea to base you findings on real experience.

If you've found the answer to your orignal post satisfactory then let's leave it at that. If you really want to tard over the AR15 family of weapons there's AR15.com. They'll be happy to argue with you on the subject.
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I think that atleast 2 of us have bad experiences with the AR system. Daniel and I. Its funny cause we both have name brand ARs.

I would not go so far to say the AR is a good weapon system but its adequate with proper maintanance. The US doesnt always adopt the best gun sometimes. I mean look at the Krag Jorgenson, Reising SMG, Beretta 92, Chauchat LMG, M60. All worked but there were definately better competing designs out there. Sometimes vastly superior, and sometimes only marginally.
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fatcat said:
Nope Bushmaster is going to make a gas piston one soon to!
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Colt will be coming out with 1 too. As reported by HKPro of all places. LOL

Adler said:
I mean look at the Krag Jorgenson, Reising SMG, Beretta 92, Chauchat LMG, M60. All worked but there were definately better competing designs out there. Sometimes vastly superior, and sometimes only marginally.
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No doubt. Some of us had to even qualify on these things and make due with them even though there were better items out there. I happened to be at Camp Pendelton the year they switched to the 92f. It was a sad year.
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Ok, Ok just for what its worth I'll shoot one before I form any openions about it.. lets just not turn this thread into another AR-15 vs AK-47 debate.


so, 10/22 and the Mark II/I

Both are good guns now on to ammunition and magazines,

Any recomendations? anything to stay away from?
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Stay away from bulk pack .22 ammo until you get a little experience. The stuff is fun and cheap to shoot, but the powder charges vary greatly. It's can be very discouraging to a new shooter when he can't hit the broad side of a barn while standing inside it because the ammo varies so much shot to shot.I ran bulk ammo through my match .22's and the groups averaged 15"+ You can actually hear the difference in the shots.
Buy the cheapest "brick" 10 box pack you can find, usualy Remington or Winchester, this stuff is pretty accurate as well as not real expensive. Once you get some experince and confidence you can use the cheap ass bulk stuff or if you want match grade Eley is the best there is.
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Eley for match grade ammo in small boxes

Winchester and Remington for "brick" 10 box packs.

Copy Pasted and printed,

As for magazines and the 10/22 I've found several online including a 50 round drum magazine!

http://www.mwgco.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?page=MWG/PROD/RUGER-1022-MAGAZINES/MWG-022-050

And these 30 round "hot lips" magazines



Ooooh then theres this page with all of these nice toys on one page

http://www.copesdist.com/1022.htm

http://www.mountsplus.com/products/Muzzelite/muzzelite_instrustions.pdf

They also have the Muzzelite stock instock for 110 bucks, not to shabby if you ask me. Take down dosent look any worse than what I go through to work on some of my airsoft guns, ( Mp-5K, Mp-5A2, AUG are among the worst).
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Yeager said:
As for magazines and the 10/22 I've found several online including a 50 round drum magazine!

And these 30 round "hot lips" magazines

They also have the Muzzelite stock instock for 110 bucks, not to shabby if you ask me. Take down dosent look any worse than what I go through to work on some of my airsoft guns, ( Mp-5K, Mp-5A2, AUG are among the worst).
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30 rounders get pretty heavy on 10/22's when fully loaded and because of the design of the stock 10/22 mag catch. Sometimes even when you think it's positively in the magwell, the weight of the mag itself is enough to make them drop. I've lost a few mags this way over the side of boats. There are after market mag catches.

Yeah not even smart to compare the muzzlelite stock to anything airsoft. Or anything real steel to airsoft for that matter. Having to take a whole body off just to remedy a jam/misfire/dud is no fun. I wasn't talking about field stripping the muzzlelite as being a problem. Even at $110.00 I'm not sure i'd say it's worth spending that much. Muzzlelite stocks cannot accept 10/22 "banana" style mags longer then 5" and are no bueno for leftys.

But yeah the beauty of the 10/22 is the wealth of after market parts available for them and most everything is affordable.
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