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It's not really a "best/worst" it's more like a most "used/popular", the M-14 was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. The chinese have been using them for years and now everyone wants M-21's for their squad marksman. For a .30 cal semi auto, it's simply not beat.


 

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muhahaha... I still see the happy switch on that M-14 :) I wonder if there pinned becuase... that woulb be just to much fun.
 

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bobturismo said:
It's not really a "best/worst" it's more like a most "used/popular", the M-14 was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. The chinese have been using them for years and now everyone wants M-21's for their squad marksman. For a .30 cal semi auto, it's simply not beat.




Dont you mean the Taiwanese? The Chinese just liked to make shitty out of spec and soft metal copies to sell to US.

In government tests the M14 did come in WAY below the M1 Garand and AK47 in reliability. Id also say the FAL and G3 are more reliable.
 

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i'm suprised by how high the m-16 was and how low the m-14 was

Id put the Mauser 98 above the SMLE. It is the most widely produced weapon ever....100 million sporting and military mausers. Its only rival is the AK.

The 1903 Springfiled was not widely used in WW1 and shouldnt be up there. Over 2/3 of US forces had the 1917 Enfield(Mauser copy, but a 1895 one). And.......the 03 is nothing more than a Mauser copy....they got sued for it and lost its such a blatent copy. The US just never paid for it thanks to WW1.

The G3 really should have been up there. It was the second most widely produced and accepted non Soviet weapon after ww2. The FAL was number 1, the G3 number 2.

The only reason there are so many M16s is that so many nations have mutual defense contracts with the US.......which means they have to buy US military weapons.....ie the m16. Oddly enough its what kept Armalite and later Colt shut out of the Asian market until the USAF bought some in 1961-1963.

Sometimes I wish I could get a job working for those people at the Discovery and History channels. About 1/3 of their reasoning makes no sense to me.
 

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Yeah I dont agree with these as well... M-14 number 10?! and I dont agree with the 16 being number 2...
 

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Yeah I dont agree with these as well... M-14 number 10?! and I dont agree with the 16 being number 2...
Yeah, I don't agree with this list at all...
 

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bobturismo said:
It's not really a "best/worst" it's more like a most "used/popular", the M-14 was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. The chinese have been using them for years and now everyone wants M-21's for their squad marksman. For a .30 cal semi auto, it's simply not beat.



I hate you Bob... I really really really do.




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As much as I love the M-16 type rifles I just dont think it is very highly rated when it comes to sand dirt and as Adler says "Shits where it eats" <-- great way to discribe it. Plus its a little complicated and hard to manufacturer.

I do totaly agree with the AK as 1 ;)
 

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Id only use an AR/M16 for killing things that cant hurt me like paper targets, a Michael Jackson life size cardboard cutout I bought at a garage sale for $2, or something like prarie dogs.


In a war.....Id have a 30 cal weapon. Preferably a G3 or FAL, loaded with 7.62 West German NATO rounds. They fragment like the 5.56...but they still have the power at range regardlesss of a velocity border to do so.


Second Choice.........AK most definately. Probably a 74 since it doesnt need to be going 2900 feet per second to do what it does. The poison bullet is a good round.


In the olden days.....Mauser and Mauser 98 only. I dont like cock on closing designs.
 
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