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I copied this from another website, it answers alot of newbie questions about the 870.


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Here's the actual differences between the Wingmaster, the Police, and the Express guns:

The Express is Remington's "budget" gun, made to compete with the cheaper to make Winchester and Mossberg guns.

The Wingmaster is Remington "Cadillac" top-of-the-line sporting gun.

The Police is a Wingmaster with a dull finish and is a much more carefully inspected and built gun.

How Remington lowered the Express price was to reduce hand labor to a bare minimum, and to eliminate much of the polishing and de-burring the better quality Wingmaster and Police guns get.

The Express is basically the same forged and milled steel receiver and heavy-duty internals gun the better 870's are, just in a rougher, less well finished form with plastic and MIM parts.

The Express Model has:
A plastic trigger group.
The dimples in the mag tube and the new style plastic magazine retention system, EXCEPT on the extended magazine version, which does NOT have the dimples.
A rougher finish inside and outside, with machine marks and some burrs left.
A rougher, bead blasted blue job.
A less polished bore.
A two piece barrel. (not 100% sure about this)
Hardwood or synthetic stock, with a sporting-length fore end and pressed-in checkering.
The Defense version has 18", Cylinder bore barrel, with a bead sight.
Some Metal Injection Molded (MIM) parts, like the extractor.
Has the locking safety button.

The Wingmaster has:
An aluminum trigger group.
The old style magazine retention system.
A much smoother finish inside and out, no machine marks or burrs.
The Wingmaster gun receives a higher level of inspection and finishing.
A fine, commercial polished blue finish.
A polished bore.
A one piece barrel.
A chrome plated bolt.
Walnut stocks with the famous "Bowling Pin" finish in gloss or satin and better checkering.
Wide choices in barrel lengths and choke options.
No use of MIM parts, the extractor is milled.
The Wingmaster is the full top-of-the-line commercial Remington pump gun, and is priced accordingly.

The 870 Police has:
An aluminum trigger group.
The old style magazine retention system.
A much smoother finish inside and out, no machine marks or burrs.
The Police gun receives a higher level of inspection and finishing.
A military-grade parkerized finish.
A polished bore.
A one piece barrel.
Walnut or synthetic stock, with a short police-length fore end.
The Remington “R3” super recoil pad that reduced felt recoil by 30%.
Choices in different stocks, including Speedfeed, and others.
18" to 20" improved cylinder barrel, with a wide choice in sights, including rifle, ghost ring, and luminous.
Police options like magazine extenders, forearms with built-in lights, and sling swivels.
Heavy-duty magazine spring.
Heavy-duty trigger-sear spring.
Sling swivel mounts.
No use of MIM parts, the extractor is milled.

The Express is a "bottom of the line" budget gun, the Wingmaster is a "top of the line" sporting gun, the Police is the top-of-the-line in defense guns.
The 870's are generally considered to be the finest quality pump gun made.

Here's what Remington says about their Police guns:

REMINGTON ARMS COMPANY, LE DIVISION
Important differences between Remington 870 Police and 870 Express shotguns
The 870 Express has been an important part of Remington’s offering to the sporting market.
It was designed to meet a price point in the commercial market while still providing classic 870 functionality.
All of Remington’s 870’s have interchangeable parts, even if they have cosmetic differences.
It is also important to note that many manufacturers use the 870 Express platform for their Police / Combat models.
Without exception, every manufacturer who utilizes our 870 platform serves to upgrade their system to a more efficient, street worthy platform.
While the 870 Express is still an 870, the best pump shotgun on the market, there are some very important cosmetic and functional differences between it and the 870 Police.
To our customers in Law Enforcement, Military, Corrections, and Security, whose lives depend upon the unfailing performance of Remington shotguns, the Police modifications are of paramount importance. Synopses of the variances are provided below.

• 870 Police shotguns go thru a special 23 station check list – ranging from visual inspection, functional testing, test firing, and final inspection.

• All Police shotguns are assembled in a “special build area” at the plant in Ilion, NY. This section is secured and serves only to build LE and Military shotguns, with the same factory personnel working at that assignment each shift.

• All parts that enter the “special build area” are visually inspected by hand to ensure top quality and functionality.

• Due to heavy recoil in buck and slug loads, all 870 Police guns have a longer magazine spring which ensures positive feed and function.

• A heavier sear spring is used to generate a reliable, positive trigger pull between 5 and 8 lbs.

• A heavier carrier dog spring is used to ensure when the carrier elevates the shell, it will be held there until the bolt can push it into the chamber. This ensures positive feeding when using heavier payload rounds.

• Police shotguns do not have an ISS (Integrated Safety System) which is a locking mechanism on the safety of commercial shotguns. This type of locking mechanism can cause delay to an officer who needs the weapon but does not have the appropriate key. LE shotguns have the standard, proven, cross bolt safety.

• The fore-end on the Express model is longer and not compatible with many police shotgun vehicle racks.

• The Police shotguns utilize the heavy duty SPEEDFEED Stocks and Fore-ends.

• The Express model will not allow for the addition of an extension tube without physical modification to the tube and barrel, which can nullify the warranty.

• The Express model has a BEAD BLAST BLUE finish while the Police models utilize either High Luster bluing or Parkerization.

• The Express model utilizes a synthetic trigger housing while the Police models use a compressed metal housing.

• The Police shotgun barrel is locked down with a “ball detent” system in conjunction with the magazine cap vs. a lesser grade “synthetic magazine spring retainer” lock down as used on the Express system.

• The receivers used in Police guns are “vibra honed” to smooth out rough finishes and remove burrs before parkerization or bluing.

• Police shotguns use machined ejectors and extractors, as opposed to powdered metal cast which are utilized on the Express models.
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the MCS is part of the mil-spec/police family
 

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Important differences between Remington 870 Police and 870 Express shotguns

Important differences between Remington 870 Police and 870 Express shotguns

The 870 Express has been an important part of Remington’s offering to the sporting market. It was designed to meet a price point in the commercial market while still providing classic 870 functionality. All of Remington’s 870’s have interchangeable parts, even if they have cosmetic differences. It is also important to note that many manufacturers use the 870 Express platform
for their Police / Combat models. Without exception, every manufacturer who utilizes our 870 platform serves to upgrade their system to a more efficient, street worthy platform.

While the 870 Express is still an 870, the best pump shotgun on the market, there are some very important cosmetic and functional differences between it and the 870 Police. To our customers in Law Enforcement, Military, Corrections, and Security, whose lives depend upon the unfailing performance of Remington shotguns, the Police modifications are of paramount importance.
Synopses of the variances are provided below.

• 870 Police shotguns go thru a special 23 station check list – ranging from visual inspection, functional testing, test firing, and final inspection.

• All Police shotguns are assembled in a “special build area” at the plant in Ilion, NY.
This section is secured and serves only to build LE and Military shotguns, with the same factory personnel working at that assignment each shift.

• All parts that enter the “special build area” are visually inspected by hand to ensure top quality and functionality.

• Due to heavy recoil in buck and slug loads, all 870 Police guns have a longer
magazine spring which ensures positive feed and function.

• A heavier sear spring is used to generate a reliable, positive trigger pull between 5 and 8 lbs.

• A heavier carrier dog spring is used to ensure when the carrier elevates the shell, it will be held there until the bolt can push it into the chamber. This ensures positive feeding when using heavier payload rounds.

• Police shotguns do not have an ISS (Integrated Safety System) which is a locking mechanism on the safety of commercial shotguns. This type of locking mechanism can cause delay to an officer who needs the weapon but does not have the appropriate key. LE shotguns have the standard, proven, cross bolt safety.

• The fore-end on the Express model is longer and not compatible with many police shotgun vehicle racks.

• The Police shotguns utilize the heavy duty SPEEDFEED Stocks and Fore-ends.

• The Express model will not allow for the addition of an extension tube without physical modification to the tube and barrel, which can nullify the warranty.

• The Express model has a BEAD BLAST BLUE finish while the Police models utilize either High Luster bluing or Parkerization.

• The Express model utilizes a synthetic trigger housing while the Police models use a compressed metal housing.

• The Police shotgun barrel is locked down with a “ball detent” system in conjunction with the magazine cap vs. a lesser grade “synthetic magazine spring retainer” lock down as used on the Express system.

• The receivers used in Police guns are “vibra honed” to smooth out rough finishes and remove burrs before parkerization or bluing.

• Police shotguns use machined ejectors and extractors, as opposed to powdered metal cast which are utilized on the Express models.

Source - http://www.remingtonmilitary.com/articles/870ExpvsPol6-30-05.pdf

- Janq

Lesson learned: The 870 'Express' is okay fine. The 870 'Police' is built for hard use, and abuse.
 

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Wow, detailed and informative. You are awesome as always, Janq. I wonder if they make a Police-spec Marine 870? That would be suh-weet.

<-- considering getting a first shotgun. On the fence between an 870 or a Saiga 12.
 

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kartoffel said:
Wow, detailed and informative. You are awesome as always, Janq. I wonder if they make a Police-spec Marine 870? That would be suh-weet.

<-- considering getting a first shotgun. On the fence between an 870 or a Saiga 12.

on the fence? - if you are - get the saiga, before you cant anymore
 

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MrMcCrackin said:
janq-

could u make this a sticky - it was posted before, but lost

maybe combine the data:

http://www.gunatics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1865
I _knew_ I'd seen something toward this before but couldn't find it here for some odd reason and figured eh I must have seen it elsewhere.
Definitely I'll sticky it and bond the two threads.

Good idea and thanks for the thread location assist!

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What about the 870 Security? I looked at one the other day and it seemed very nice.

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the security is a express with mag tube and 18" or 20" bbl


i bought a security and modded it up




again the major differences are the finish and the trigger/receiver internals



now - unless you expect to go on a zombie killing rampage - it wont matter whether it was a "police" base gun or "express" base gun


the best part is that the "police" parts fit on the security!
 

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Old thread I know, but what the heck.

I had to do the calculations on this recently so I thought I'd share my thoughts.

First off, the thing working in favor of the 870 Express models is price. New ones start around $270, where the Police models start around $700.

Instead of focusing on the differences, let's look at the similarities. First of all, it's the same gun. Same receiver, bolt, extractor, ejector, barrel, magazine. Identical mechanical function. Because of that, most of the parts are interchangable. Police bolt assembly? No problem, it's a 30-second job to just drop one in and you get a milled instead of MIM extractor (if that matters to you). Stiffer magazine spring or mag extension? Go for it. You can piecemeal whatever you like in there. Sure you'll have to drill our the detents but that's pretty easy too.

As for aluminum vs. polymer trigger groups, I couldn't care less. My Glock seems to do just fine with a polymer lower half, as does my 870. But that's replacable also if so inclined.

I think a good strategy would be to go with an Express variant, and if any parts break, just replace them with a Police or Wingmaster part. That way you save money and get to customize your firearm, and also have the choice of what you want to upgrade if anything at all.

My Express came with a 26" barrel that's good for clay sports or hunting, and I picked up an 18" barrel for $120 that covers the HD aspect. In the end, I have a firearm that shoots the same projectiles with the same design. I have inspected the gun very closely and so far don't see any surface that's rough with two exceptions: (1) The outer surface of the receiver, and (2) The lifter's leading edge. The lifter wore in after some use and some dry firing (with snap caps). As far as the receiver, it's a steel gun made for work, I like it a little rough.
 

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OR............you could just buy an older wingmaster that is pretty beat up for dirt cheap and put new extractors and springs in it.

The older Remingtons were so much nicer in fit, finish, and reliability compared to some of the newer guns over the last few years. Here in IA you see plain barreled 870 wingmasters with lots and lots of bluing and carry wear for under 300 bucks. Buy one, chop the barrel(to 18.5 or 20), put a heat shield and mag extension in it. As for the finish.......Brownells Aluma Hyde II works well and it comes in a rattle can. Add a new stock, or refinish the old one.

That would be my course of action.

As for the plastic trigger guards, I have seen people really screw them up with cleaning products that dissolve the plastic. And do remember, not all plastics are created equal.


But I like my Winchester 1300. Works well and it FAST thanks to its inertia assist.
 

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Or places like J&G will have used police guns from time to time. Usually in the 300-400 range depending on condition. But most cop guns are beat up only on the outside.

Even if the gun is pitted, JB Weld makes a good bondo for the spray on finishes.
 

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MrMcCrackin said:
the MCS is part of the mil-spec/police family
Yep. ^^

The MCS is simply a 'Police' Model 870 _rebranded_ (receiver and barrel) with addition of various add on parts & pieces specific to the market.

- Janq
 

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I found another difference........the recoil pad. The recoil pad on the Express sucks compared to the super cell of the wingmaster series.

Now for 30 bucks you can get an aftermarket one that fixes that, but I shot a new express the other day and noticed that.

Also the one I shot was brand new and man was it rough going for 50 shells. Had to man handle it while it self polished so to speak.
 
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