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Fellow gunatics,

I've been eyeballing this piece for awhile now, and since I already have my 'serious' guns (9mm, .380, 12g, 30-06, dual .177s FWIW), I want a 'fun' gun. I had been thinking about a Bushie AR-15 until I saw this pistol version, and since the post-ban-lapse revision from type 21 to type 97 (most importantly, the inclusion of the integrated hand guard with top and bottom accessory rails) I can't think of any alternative that I'd prefer.



So before I... er... pull the trigger on the purchase, are there any similiar pistols I'm overlooking, or does anyone have a compelling argument against this particular weapon? Has anyone here fired one? If so, your review would be appreciated...

Also, is there any way to put a folding or telescoping stock on this without incurring the potential wrath of the ATF? How about a flash suppressor?

Thanks for your insights.

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Rock river arms also makes pistol ARs. You can not put a stock on with out a Form 1 tax stamp, you can't have a stock near the pistol as the ATF sees this as constructive intent. So basically don't even buy a stock

The pistol ARs don't shoot well, they are hard to hold, they have an aweful blast and no ballistics

but they are a easy way to start off a SBR project
 

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I have to agree with Ducman, the pistols don't shoot well but damn there fun!

I built mine from some extra parts I had laying around and a RRA lower receiver and its turned out great! Alot of fun to shoot OUTSIDE! its loud as hell inside, but I like running people out of the indoor range when I dump a mag :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/fatcat/stuff/P3160284.jpg

One thing I have always read about the Carbon 15's is there upper and lower wear, the dirtiness of an AR-15 tosses alot of crap back and the bolt carrier and upper receiver walls chafe and screw up the receiver after alot of rounds. Another thing is you cant change the buffer tube on the lower of that Carbon 15's there made into the lower receivers.

As for the stock? Thats why I have not gone with a shorter buffer tube, you can legally use the tube as a stock but its annoying after about 30 rounds so I got a laser on it to aim.

When we go to do evictions as the houses we rent or go down town the AR pistol is always under my jacket with a 20 round mag or in the truck after the trouble we have had with some people going nuts after telling them they have to leave the house, only once have I had to just print it on my jacket by turning around once when a guy threatened us, I think he knew I was packing something quite large and it was not happy to see him. He left without having to deal with paperwork.

Just woke up so spelling and grammar check is off...
 

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Pic here...

Here's a pic of my new baby, built as planned, with Eotech mil-spec holo sight and Brons Green Laser below. Modified the lower rail to make holding the handguard more comfortable, and tossed the 30 round mag for a Brownells 20 rounder for size and weight concerns.

Total weight is 5.4 pounds with 20 rounds in the mag.

Comments?

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Very nice... I like it.

Just need a single point sling and thats ready for carry under a jacket.. ;)
 

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I wanted to update this thread with my first experience firing my carbon 15 pistol (as pictured above)...

HOLY CRAP is this thing accurate! Way better than I expected and nearly no recoil either (though it is LOUD as hell- I had to put earmuffs on over plugs, as the plugs weren't giving me a good seal- evidenced by the ringing in my ears after the first volley). The EOTech was less than 4" off from center at 50 yards, so dialing in for windage was a snap (elevation was dead-on out of the gate!).

Initial test: After a few bursts of three rounds apiece at 25 yards to get the EOTech sight aligned, I shot a 3.25" group with 6 rounds at rapid pace (<1 second between) at 50 yards freehand... throwing out the most errant one of the 6 shots yields a 2.25" group.

With my left hand on the front guard and right on the grip/trigger, the gun bellowed like a branded bull, but the buffer did a phenomenal job of absorbing the shock and muzzle rise was nearly nil. I haven't tried one-handing it yet, but suspect I could (and will try it shortly when I get my hands on some bulk ammo).

Given my past experiences with a variety of pistols, I was not expecting this level of accuracy from this weapon. Once I get the EOTech dead-on, I'm going to shoot for similar grouping at 100 yards, and if I can stay inside of 4", I may well try using this as a hunting weapon (weighs half of what my 30-06 does!). After seeing the destruction it meted out to the backside of the dead tree I hung my targets on, I don't suspect a deer or even an elk would make it far after a vital organ impact...

My only complaint is that two rounds failed to chamber properly... i.e. bolt didn't close completely and required manual assist. Don't know what the problem is, but I'm going to strip it tomorrow, clean it, and examine it for burrs or other debris, oil it thoroughly, and perhaps polish the feed ramp.

In any case, minor problems aside, I am very happy with the Bushie, and had a blast- literally and figuratively- shooting it. I highly recommend this as a fun and sporting gun, recommend it to anyone in the market for such an item, and would purchase it again in a (muzzle) flash.

IBTAssaultWeaponsBan ;)

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I love AR pistols... The flash and noise alone make it worth it.

As for the bolt not seating its just breaking in, it will go away just use some oil and after anywhere from 200-500 rounds it will be good.

Good review to!
 
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