I originally posted the following in another thread last night.
I'd decided to move it here to it's own thread and to add additional thoughts and comments that I had not time to do last night.
Below is the original posting in its entirety followed by my additional notes...
As the persons were remarking to me about their "K9" I was emotionally prepared to let go of my dog so as to allow him a best chance to either run or fight back while I'd then attack the K9 by hand. In MA it is illegal for a CCW'r to shoot defensively to protect property which includes animals e.g. pets. Livestock falls under the same rules even if on your own private property. The position is that human life is of higher value than that of an anmal or Muffy the pet cat, or as in my case dog.
I've seen and been in very many dog fights and that no longer bothers or shocks me I know exactly what to do and more importantly not to do there. If the animal came after me instead of my dog then I'd mentally made the plan to leap up onto the hood and then roof of the car I'd used as a barrier. The tie to do so is short an d would buy me even more time to assess, draw and presumably aim then fire. To draw without firing is brandishing and thats a huge no no for CCW in general and MA in specific. Some folks might say just shoot a 'warning' shot in the air to scare off the dog or the wolves that brought it along. That too is fubar and very illegal everywhere. it might work but at the same time it would buy me a trip to jail along with loss of my future freedoms and permitted rights to carry anywhere ever again. It's not worth it. You have to be 100% sure there is J.A.M.
As a refresher fro those who are not familiar with the acronym J.A..M. the following I posted a few months back in an OT thread;
Some folks might have been scared being essentially cornered with little other means of 'escape', others fearful becuase it was night out and the location relatively remote. Then there is the OMG "he's got a K9" scared of dogs pucker factor. All of those fears are IMHO rational and human, but if you're carrying a concealed weapon even if it were a less lethal item such as CNS (pepper spray) you still have to adhere to law and ultimately J.A.M. Other folks might have been more indignant toward two punks spoiling their moment and slowing their means toward just getting home. They might have even engaged them in banter or a retort such as fuck you I've got an Akita and thus am a bad ass 'K9' holder too. Fear me you freak fucks!
No. That will get you at the very least embarassed in the streets if not badly hurt or worst killed. The winner is not the guy who yells loudest or even gets in the last word. It's the guy who goes home to his friends and/or family in one piece no lesser or lighter than when he or she left. Yes they were two kids and frankly I'm pretty sure I could take either one of them singly and hold my own agsinst them both hand to hand no weapons involved or dogs. But why? So I can have some cool stupid story to post in OT? hey guys I got locked up for assault or worst but hey I'm a tough guy and whupped up on a kid or two who seemed sketchy in a shopping plaze parking lot. Weaksauce. Don't be that guy and as a CCW'r you cannot be that guy, if you want to stay your butt out of jail, avoid bankruptcy via legal bills or wrost not ebnd up with a murder charge.
Well I'll stop here as no one is going to read all this anyway.
In closing CCW'rs be careful and more inportant mindful while you're out there. The responsibility as others here have noted is awesome and is not as my mother inlaw mistakenly thought a "license to kill". With luck you'll never have to reach for never mind use your CCW and thats the way it should be as we all hope if not pray.
- Janq
I'd decided to move it here to it's own thread and to add additional thoughts and comments that I had not time to do last night.
Below is the original posting in its entirety followed by my additional notes...
To add to this I forgot to mention my ammunition was 230 gr. Remington FMJ, a target ammo as thats all my local Dick's had in stock this past weekend when I went to buy boxes. Wal-Mart was completely sold out of .45, like usual.Janq said:
As the persons were remarking to me about their "K9" I was emotionally prepared to let go of my dog so as to allow him a best chance to either run or fight back while I'd then attack the K9 by hand. In MA it is illegal for a CCW'r to shoot defensively to protect property which includes animals e.g. pets. Livestock falls under the same rules even if on your own private property. The position is that human life is of higher value than that of an anmal or Muffy the pet cat, or as in my case dog.
I've seen and been in very many dog fights and that no longer bothers or shocks me I know exactly what to do and more importantly not to do there. If the animal came after me instead of my dog then I'd mentally made the plan to leap up onto the hood and then roof of the car I'd used as a barrier. The tie to do so is short an d would buy me even more time to assess, draw and presumably aim then fire. To draw without firing is brandishing and thats a huge no no for CCW in general and MA in specific. Some folks might say just shoot a 'warning' shot in the air to scare off the dog or the wolves that brought it along. That too is fubar and very illegal everywhere. it might work but at the same time it would buy me a trip to jail along with loss of my future freedoms and permitted rights to carry anywhere ever again. It's not worth it. You have to be 100% sure there is J.A.M.
As a refresher fro those who are not familiar with the acronym J.A..M. the following I posted a few months back in an OT thread;
Last night I did not have J.A.M.
Some folks might have been scared being essentially cornered with little other means of 'escape', others fearful becuase it was night out and the location relatively remote. Then there is the OMG "he's got a K9" scared of dogs pucker factor. All of those fears are IMHO rational and human, but if you're carrying a concealed weapon even if it were a less lethal item such as CNS (pepper spray) you still have to adhere to law and ultimately J.A.M. Other folks might have been more indignant toward two punks spoiling their moment and slowing their means toward just getting home. They might have even engaged them in banter or a retort such as fuck you I've got an Akita and thus am a bad ass 'K9' holder too. Fear me you freak fucks!
No. That will get you at the very least embarassed in the streets if not badly hurt or worst killed. The winner is not the guy who yells loudest or even gets in the last word. It's the guy who goes home to his friends and/or family in one piece no lesser or lighter than when he or she left. Yes they were two kids and frankly I'm pretty sure I could take either one of them singly and hold my own agsinst them both hand to hand no weapons involved or dogs. But why? So I can have some cool stupid story to post in OT? hey guys I got locked up for assault or worst but hey I'm a tough guy and whupped up on a kid or two who seemed sketchy in a shopping plaze parking lot. Weaksauce. Don't be that guy and as a CCW'r you cannot be that guy, if you want to stay your butt out of jail, avoid bankruptcy via legal bills or wrost not ebnd up with a murder charge.
Well I'll stop here as no one is going to read all this anyway.
In closing CCW'rs be careful and more inportant mindful while you're out there. The responsibility as others here have noted is awesome and is not as my mother inlaw mistakenly thought a "license to kill". With luck you'll never have to reach for never mind use your CCW and thats the way it should be as we all hope if not pray.
- Janq