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As reported by the San Francisco Chronicle:

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Assembly OKs micro-stamp on some guns
Bill would make state first in nation to require tracking device in semiautomatic pistols

Matthew Yi, Chronicle Sacramento Bureau

Wednesday, May 30, 2007

(05-30) 04:00 PDT Sacramento -- In an effort to curb deadly gun violence, the state Assembly on Tuesday passed a bill that would make California the first in the nation to require a mechanism inside semiautomatic pistols to stamp information that would help authorities track down criminals.

"About 45 percent of all homicides are never solved ... for lack of evidence," the bill's author, Assemblyman Mike Feuer, D-Los Angeles, said on the floor of the Assembly. "But we have the technology now to prevent killers from killing again and to bring them to justice."

The measure, AB1471, would require starting in 2010 that all semiautomatic pistols sold in California contain a mechanism to stamp the gun's make, model and serial number on the shell casing of the bullet every time the weapon is fired.

Citing state Department of Justice records, Feuer noted that about 2,400 homicides are committed each year and about 60 percent involve the use of a handgun. Moreover, about 70 percent of new handguns sold in California are semiautomatic pistols, he said.

While supporters of the legislation hailed the bill as a desperately needed tool for law enforcement to solve shooting crimes, opponents argued the technology is unproven and there are too many loopholes in the measure to be effective.

Perhaps the biggest problem would be that innocent people could be framed for crimes that they did not commit, said Assemblyman Doug LaMalfa, D-Richvale (Butte County).

"Other ammunition rounds can be thrown around at the scene of the crime ... or criminals can use revolvers that do not eject shell casings," he said.

The idea of "micro-stamping" is catching on at the federal level. Rep. Xavier Becerra, D-Los Angeles, and Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Massachusetts, said earlier this month that they, too, will craft a micro-stamping bill in Congress.

"There's always that concern that others will follow California. Like they say, the way California goes, the rest of the nation goes," said Marc Halcon, president of the California Association of Firearms Retailers.

In California, a previous effort to pass a micro-stamping bill failed.

Last year, then-Assemblyman Paul Koretz, D-West Hollywood, introduced a similar bill that passed several hurdles but came up two votes shy in the Assembly on the last day of the legislative session.

On Tuesday, the Assembly approved Feuer's version in a 44-29 vote, largely along party lines. The bill now heads to the state Senate.

Feuer said the primary difference in this year's bill is that the measure requires the micro-stamping mechanism to etch the information from at least two different places in the pistol. Last year's bill only required one and the firing pin was widely considered as the most logical piece of the firearm to stamp the information. Opponents argued then, and now, that the firing pin can be removed and defaced, or simply replaced.

That's why his bill requires the etching to occur in more than one place inside the gun, Feuer said.

Several Republican members of the Assembly voiced their opposition by arguing that there is little evidence that additional laws on gun control actually lead to less crimes, or that approving the measure would only enrich a single patent-holder of the technology.

Feuer dismissed the latter argument by saying that the patent owner, NanoMark Technologies of Londonderry, N.H., has agreed to give away the patents to gun manufacturers if the bill is enacted.

"This is not a gun control bill. It's a crime control bill," said Assemblyman Paul Krekorian, D-Burbank. "We know that there is an epidemic of gun crimes in the state."

Pro-gun organizations said they are troubled by AB1471 and argued the measure will only hurt law-abiding gun owners because the measure would drive up the prices of firearms.

"Micro-stamping is an ill-advised proposition," said Andrew Arulanandam, a spokesman for the National Rifle Association of America.

E-mail Matthew Yi at [email protected].

The article can be found at; http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic.../BAG7QQ3PBB1.DTL&hw=Matthew+Yi&sn=001&sc=1000

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it wont work - at least not to the degree that its intended



bio-metrics however - that will work
 

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Looks like no new pistol after 2010 for me! Either that or I'll just start picking up my brassafter killing someone! :)
 

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Bobula said:
Looks like no new pistol after 2010 for me! Either that or I'll just start picking up my brassafter killing someone! :)


i feel a revolver in your near future! LOL
 

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im more worried about people going to the range, picking up random brass and then throwing it around their newly created crime scene. investigators will come to rely on this.
 

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nothing a new firing pin will fix or 5 sec with a file. but that assumes the shooter has registered the gun in his name...
 

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Nose Nuggets said:
im more worried about people going to the range, picking up random brass and then throwing it around their newly created crime scene. investigators will come to rely on this.
Agreed ^^

The technology is looking to be applied toward two points in the gun minimum being the firing pin or striker (revolver) as well as within the barrel too.
Replacement firing pins and semi-auto barrels will be the easy fix assuming state laws don't ban 'modification' of firearm specific identifiers along the lines of how serial numbers cannot be removed or in any way modified/obscured.

The used gun market in areas will blossom while criminals will continue to not not be concerned, as they have proven not to be toward the MD bullet casing registry effort that they now admit was a huge boondoggle and waste of tax payer money.
It's not like criminals buy their guns from Dick's and fill out Brady forms like we lawabiding citizens do. As well on the street you shoot a person and then you toss the gun or it goes to the community for broad use like a used & rusty junker Huffy. This is nothing new.
This law will catch spur of the moment type I got mad and shot my wife/neighbor types as well as the dumbest of the dumb crooks, effectively nothing more than the lowest hanging fruit.

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San Francisco Chronicle said:
In an effort to curb deadly gun violence

What about stopping or at least trying to fix the factors that make up violence to begin with...before it gets to the "gun" part of the violence.


I'm really starting to lose my faith in most things...:(
 

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M5,

I had an interesting and alarming event happen at my home yesterday along the lines you speak in regard to violence.
I'll post about it later tonight.

Agreed addressing issues long before the gun comes into play is where folk should be applying their energies.

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Janq said:
This is nothing new.
This law will catch spur of the moment type I got mad and shot my wife/neighbor types as well as the dumbest of the dumb crooks, effectively nothing more than the lowest hanging fruit.

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who usually confess or are easily apprehended in the first place.
 

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"the way California goes, the rest of the nation goes"

God help us all...

apart from gun laws what else can you complain about. cali is the shit son.

/goes out and splits lanes on his motorcycle to somehow qualify his post.
 

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So criminals will just go back to revolvers, and now all this legislation becomes irrelevant. That and stolen guns will be even more appealing. Of course consumers and tax payers bear the brunt of this.
 

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So let me see if I grasp the full extent of this, we've got 2 1/2 years before all handguns in CA (or should I say manufactured specifically for CA) get a hefty increase in price and all C&R and "regular" handguns become illegal for purchase within the state & interstate purchases (via gunbroker et al)? If all of this is applicable then our 'elected representatives' are working closer and closer to civil disarmament by making firearms inaccessable to all but the well heeled of society.

This stinks of political motives contrary to public well-being under the guise of security. Unfortunatley the majority of the local population may buy into the rethoric, and thus be hard to mobilize against this, putting the well-intentioned moderates in a position of culpability.

How do we fight?
 

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This reminds me of the smart gun that failed miserably. Also Cali is not the shit man..........it is shit. I had a chance to live out there and go to college for free. I lasted 2 weeks in the bay area before I went nuts and ran back home.


California is also banning solvent based car paint soon and requiring water based paint........which is all good and stuff except for there is not clear coat available that is not solvent based. Looks like primered cars and wheelguns all around in 2010
 

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Nose Nuggets said:
the weather, the chics, splitting lanes, the clubs, beaches.......

Except for splitting lanes........doesnt that sound just like Florida which is a state that is much more gun friendly.
 

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minus the old people, the inbred swine, hurricanes, 90% humidity.....

for god sakes man, Fark.com has a FLORIDA tag. that cant be good.
 
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