870 vs moss500
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Well shit.... I just wrote a long ass post about them and it got deleted when I opened a link...
basicly it said the Remington 870 is better feeling and higher quality then the Mossbergs. I have two mossbergs and one 870 and I keep the 870 as my under the bed gun. You will want an extended saftey with it but thats about it.
Never had jamming out of them with lots of rounds but the 500 is cheaper.
basicly it said the Remington 870 is better feeling and higher quality then the Mossbergs. I have two mossbergs and one 870 and I keep the 870 as my under the bed gun. You will want an extended saftey with it but thats about it.
Never had jamming out of them with lots of rounds but the 500 is cheaper.
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I have both the 870 and the 500...
If I had to take a shotty to battle with me, I'd take the 870. It's way more solid, higher quality... The mossberg just feels loose and cheap. Though, it is reliable... Well, both are reliable as hell.
You get what you pay for. Get the 870.
If I had to take a shotty to battle with me, I'd take the 870. It's way more solid, higher quality... The mossberg just feels loose and cheap. Though, it is reliable... Well, both are reliable as hell.
You get what you pay for. Get the 870.
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See in the field hunting in snow and rain I have seen more 870's act up that 500s. I had a 500 for my first shotgun and it was tight and didnt feel cheap. Alloy recievers dont have issues with galling and freezing up like some steel guns do. Personally if the made enough shit for an Ithaca 37 still I would always go that route, or if they made a BPS combat gun.brucelee said:
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see, in the fields hunting in snow....
fuck its not gana be THAT funny, nm.....
fuck its not gana be THAT funny, nm.....
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holy tripple post batman!
i vote 870
big 5 just ran a special on the 870 home defense for $300!
i vote 870
big 5 just ran a special on the 870 home defense for $300!
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500's rule
forget the 870 and get a mossberg 500.
mossberg got it right in 1961 The 500 is everything a pump should be, never worry about it jamming up..its freaking impossable. You can even let one loose from the mag -- it just hits the bolt until you cycle it out.
I realy dig the 500's action -- I think the 870's ramp is out dated,(designed just after ww2) and they can jam-- but 870's still kick ass there are over twice as many sold-- theres lots of aftermarket stuff, and its easy to do --the are tank looking next to a 500...with its aluminum recievier-- it doesnt need a steel one, its badass like that, all the pressure stayes in the brland breech, the bolt is locked in ther good - and as result its lighter.
some other favs --the best features of the mossberg -- is the 2 claw shell exctrators...and the ejector can be replaceed with a screw...I got this remington used one time and I didnt notice that the ejector was broken...and you cant replace that with a screw, on a remmy,(its part of the reciver. I returned that 870 and got my money back.
mossberg 2 extracors -- rem. 1 extractor. duh? I thiunk the mosberg is easier to break down esp. the trigger..its just 1 unit.
get cylinder bore 18.5-20 for shooting buckshot and slugs at close ranges. Get a modified or full choke (longer brls) for longer ranges.. although--a buffered 12 guage magnum shell will shoot tighter at 40 yds from a cylinder bore than a full choke 30 in brl..with no buffering. That buffering is good for long range shots...dont use then in th house.
Buy Sellior and belloit 12 shot 2 an3/4 in.00 for the house and spread.
You can also bend the end of your brl if you want even more spread, sideways; so u can then lay it up gangstersyle and get up and down..full body spreads as well/;
forget the 870 and get a mossberg 500.
mossberg got it right in 1961 The 500 is everything a pump should be, never worry about it jamming up..its freaking impossable. You can even let one loose from the mag -- it just hits the bolt until you cycle it out.
I realy dig the 500's action -- I think the 870's ramp is out dated,(designed just after ww2) and they can jam-- but 870's still kick ass there are over twice as many sold-- theres lots of aftermarket stuff, and its easy to do --the are tank looking next to a 500...with its aluminum recievier-- it doesnt need a steel one, its badass like that, all the pressure stayes in the brland breech, the bolt is locked in ther good - and as result its lighter.
some other favs --the best features of the mossberg -- is the 2 claw shell exctrators...and the ejector can be replaceed with a screw...I got this remington used one time and I didnt notice that the ejector was broken...and you cant replace that with a screw, on a remmy,(its part of the reciver. I returned that 870 and got my money back.
mossberg 2 extracors -- rem. 1 extractor. duh? I thiunk the mosberg is easier to break down esp. the trigger..its just 1 unit.
get cylinder bore 18.5-20 for shooting buckshot and slugs at close ranges. Get a modified or full choke (longer brls) for longer ranges.. although--a buffered 12 guage magnum shell will shoot tighter at 40 yds from a cylinder bore than a full choke 30 in brl..with no buffering. That buffering is good for long range shots...dont use then in th house.
Buy Sellior and belloit 12 shot 2 an3/4 in.00 for the house and spread.
You can also bend the end of your brl if you want even more spread, sideways; so u can then lay it up gangstersyle and get up and down..full body spreads as well/;
As you are seeng by the replies, two camps with good reasons. My preference is the 870 and I have had mine since I saved all winter to buy it in '74. I have hunted with it, shot trap with it, & when I got a better trap gun, my 870 became my A#1 HD gun & still is. Only one time in the entire time I've had it have I had a failure to extract. I was using some cheap-ass, plastic base trap ammo and the extractor would tear through the base periodically. Some of the hulls were coming out split in multiple places so I suspect something odd about the plastic lot itself.
Do note, early versions of the 870 can jam. There is a mod for that & I converted mine over in '86. It requires a new bolt & tongue. As my brother-in-law was a Huntington Beach dick at the time, I got it at the police armorer's price of $20. What will happen is when the gun is riding in a vertical position such as in a prowl car mount, a hard bump on the suspension of the vehicle could cause a shell to drop out of the tube mag and reside under the bolt & between the tongue. That would make the gun difficult if not impossible to cycle. The new bolt is relieved underneath and the new tongue has a U'shaped slot in it. If you have a tongue without the slot, those can jam.
My 870 has a Choate extended safety, Choate extended mag to 7, Choate blaze orange solid shell follower, Choate pistol grip, & Reminton 18" police barrel. It is a handful even with 2.75" loads.
On the Mossberg, according to the below source, the Mossy 500 is the only shotgun to pass military muster. From the below link -
"Mossberg claims the Model 500 is the only shotgun to pass the US Army's Mil-Spec 3443E test, "a brutal and unforgiving torture test with 3,000 rounds of full power 12 gauge buckshot". The updated 3443G specification requires a metal trigger guard, so only the Model 590A1 variants, which have a heavier barrel and use metal trigger groups instead of the standard Model 500's plastic trigger groups, will fit the requirements. However, the Remington 870 was not submitted to the military for the trials. Remington may have refrained from participating because they did not wish to risk their their already-strong reputation--winning a military contract would have had little impact on Remington's strong police and civilian market, but failing the mil-spec test could have had a serious negative impact on sales."
Mossy 500
At the end of the day, it comes down which one feels the best to you, is priced where you need it to be, Ford vs. Chevy. I don't believe either is a wrong choice.
Do note, early versions of the 870 can jam. There is a mod for that & I converted mine over in '86. It requires a new bolt & tongue. As my brother-in-law was a Huntington Beach dick at the time, I got it at the police armorer's price of $20. What will happen is when the gun is riding in a vertical position such as in a prowl car mount, a hard bump on the suspension of the vehicle could cause a shell to drop out of the tube mag and reside under the bolt & between the tongue. That would make the gun difficult if not impossible to cycle. The new bolt is relieved underneath and the new tongue has a U'shaped slot in it. If you have a tongue without the slot, those can jam.
My 870 has a Choate extended safety, Choate extended mag to 7, Choate blaze orange solid shell follower, Choate pistol grip, & Reminton 18" police barrel. It is a handful even with 2.75" loads.
On the Mossberg, according to the below source, the Mossy 500 is the only shotgun to pass military muster. From the below link -
"Mossberg claims the Model 500 is the only shotgun to pass the US Army's Mil-Spec 3443E test, "a brutal and unforgiving torture test with 3,000 rounds of full power 12 gauge buckshot". The updated 3443G specification requires a metal trigger guard, so only the Model 590A1 variants, which have a heavier barrel and use metal trigger groups instead of the standard Model 500's plastic trigger groups, will fit the requirements. However, the Remington 870 was not submitted to the military for the trials. Remington may have refrained from participating because they did not wish to risk their their already-strong reputation--winning a military contract would have had little impact on Remington's strong police and civilian market, but failing the mil-spec test could have had a serious negative impact on sales."
Mossy 500
At the end of the day, it comes down which one feels the best to you, is priced where you need it to be, Ford vs. Chevy. I don't believe either is a wrong choice.
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Agreed.fatcat said:How about bothor a pair and a spare...
If you go out onto the net this battle rages on deeply with basically everything stated in this thread repeated by others over & over...
Bottom line it seems that if you want absolute reliability in a shotgun for whatever reason and general purpose use then you can't go wrong with either.
If you want customizability and will actually make upgrades to it to increase user operability under specific conditions then the 870 is the way to go as it has a huge aftermarket.
If you just need something that will mostly live in a closet, squad car, or SHTF type item then go for which ever you can get for the lowest price at the moment.
I want one of these...
- Janq
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