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    Some guns that were surplus are soaked in a protective grease called cosmoline. It does its job very well, but is a pain to remove since it gets in every nook and cranny of the gun as well as into the wood.

    Mosin Nagants
    SKS
    Enfields

    ect all have had cosmoline used to store them in years past. On a commercial gun, you dont have to worry about it. It doesnt have to site in a warehouse for 40 years so they just use oil most of the time.



    The Italians have a saying. "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer." And although they've never won a war or mass-produced a decent car, in this area they are correct.

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    Tube Fed vs. external Magazine

    ending the debate once and for all!


    It has long been a topic of debate with seemingly no clear cut winner, until now! What debate you ask? Should I buy a tube fed .22 caliber rifle or a detachable magazine type. As is the case with most American consumers today, what has the most quality for the least money becomes the clear cut winner especially if its MADE IN AMERICA! First a quick note from history. One of the first, time tested, tubular fed rimfired rifle was designed by Christopher Spencer and completed in 1860. The Spencer repeating rifle was a lever action, tube fed, rifle which held and fired 7 Spencer rimfire cartridges. It was utilized in the American Civil War when Abraham Lincoln ordered that it be adopted for production. It was primarily used by Union Army cavalry units due in large to its reliable, short and lightweight design as well as its impressive sustainable rate-of-fire in excess of 20 rounds per minute. Some say it won the war for the Union, but that's a whole new debate all together. So, enough about history. We move forward to the modern .22 caliber rifle. There are two basic feed designs, tube fed magazines and external magazines or "clips" as they are falsely referred to. The tube fed design has a number of notable advantages over its external opponent. First, the tube is an integral part of the rifle itself. It can not fall off or be easily detached from the rifle as does the external magazine by its design! Numerous owners of the detachable type have shared that they have lost their magazine in the field. To add more pain to their loss, the magazines vary widely but the most common sell for $16-$20. Ouch, that hurts! Next, lets address the capacity and reliability factors. Using the Marlin Model 60 as an example, it holds up to 14 cartridges (earlier models held 19) end-to-end in its tube, virtually eliminating jams, however, the external magazines previously mentioned only hold 5 to 10 rounds stacked side-by-side increasing the chances of jamming. Most people will agree with me when I say that 5 to 10 shots before having to reload one of those little magazines is hardly enough time to even crack a smile, none the less start reloading again. Which leads me to the most important factor of them all, the most quality for the least money! The Quick Stik speed loader is the fastest and easiest .22 caliber tube fed speed loader on the market today! It loads and unloads all tube fed rifles in a matter of seconds and doesn't pinch your finger when loading it! Priced at only $7.95/each plus shipping and handling, the Quick Stik speed loader is the most cost effective loader available! If you are considering purchasing a small bore rifle and want the easiest to load and unload, purchase a tube fed rifle along with a few Quick Stiks and you will enjoy many years of reliable shooting fun. www.blitzoutdoors.com
    Last edited by blitz; 06-14-2013 at 01:31 PM.

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    Tube Fed vs. external Magazine

    ending the debate once and for all!

    It has long been a topic of debate with seemingly no clear cut winner, until now! What debate you ask? Should I buy a tube fed .22 caliber rifle or a detachable magazine type. As is the case with most American consumers today, what has the most quality for the least money becomes the clear cut winner especially if its MADE IN AMERICA! First a quick note from history. One of the first, time tested, tubular fed rimfired rifle was designed by Christopher Spencer and completed in 1860. The Spencer repeating rifle was a lever action, tube fed, rifle which held and fired 7 Spencer rimfire cartridges. It was utilized in the American Civil War when Abraham Lincoln ordered that it be adopted for production. It was primarily used by Union Army cavalry units due in large to its reliable, short and lightweight design as well as its impressive sustainable rate-of-fire in excess of 20 rounds per minute. Some say it won the war for the Union, but that's a whole new debate all together. So, enough about history. We move forward to the modern .22 caliber rifle. There are two basic feed designs, tube fed magazines and external magazines or "clips" as they are falsely referred to. The tube fed design has a number of notable advantages over its external opponent. First, the tube is an integral part of the rifle itself. It can not fall off or be easily detached from the rifle as does the external magazine by its design! Numerous owners of the detachable type have shared that they have lost their magazine in the field. To add more pain to their loss, the magazines vary widely but the most common sell for $16-$20. Ouch, that hurts! Next, lets address the capacity and reliability factors. Using the Marlin Model 60 as an example, it holds up to 14 cartridges (earlier models held 19) end-to-end in its tube, virtually eliminating jams, however, the external magazines previously mentioned only hold 5 to 10 rounds stacked side-by-side increasing the chances of jamming. Most people will agree with me when I say that 5 to 10 shots before having to reload one of those little magazines is hardly enough time to even crack a smile, none the less start reloading again. Which leads me to the most important factor of them all, the most quality for the least money! The Quick Stik speed loader is the fastest and easiest .22 caliber tube fed speed loader on the market today! It loads and unloads all tube fed rifles in a matter of seconds and doesn't pinch your finger when loading it! Priced at only $7.95/each plus shipping and handling, the Quick Stik speed loader is the most cost effective loader available! If you are considering purchasing a small bore rifle and want the easiest to load and unload, purchase a tube fed rifle along with a few Quick Stiks and you will enjoy many years of reliable shooting fun. www.blitzoutdoors.com

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    I don't see this as ending anything. Right now, prices of .22 guns and ammo are ridiculously high, but when they settle down again, you will find used 1022 Rugers for the same $150 as retail Glenfield, and Marlin quality control has been slipping. Tubular magazines can be easily dented or cracked in the field, and they are NOT cheap or easy to replace. you can get 30 or even 50 rd magazines for the 1022 and their rotary design greatly reduces the problem caused by stacking rimmed rds in a box mag. Also, there's folding stocks and a QD barrel kit for the Ruger, to help with discrete carry. There's the out of production Marlin Papoose, with its QD barrel. Avoid the AR7, it's a piece of junk. the remington Nylon 66 is nice, until you have to work on it. then it's a nightmare.

    By far the best answer, altho more expensive, by a large margin, is the AR-15 with a Ciener .22lr conversion unit. Yes, the package is $900, but you can always sell it for $750. So, while the initial cost to 'get into" the gun is high, you have a LOT more rifle. I recommend the RRA Rock River aRms lower, with a Model One Sales upper parts kit, to save some money, with a folding buttstock (gun can't be fired while folded) I recommend the 11.5" barrel, so that if shtf, you can cut the weld that retains the flashhider, install a 7.5" x 1.5" homemade suppressor. No other rifle even comes close to being as versatile.

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    anything in .22

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