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    Alright then give me enough chemical weapons to saturate the whole island, and 10 guys with really awesome chemical warfare suits. I'll be on foot....on the island....and my guys will be the only thing alive.

    Oh and yeah....a 22 pistol :P



    The Italians have a saying. "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer." And although they've never won a war or mass-produced a decent car, in this area they are correct.

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    hope you dont snag that suit on something pointy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nose Nuggets
    umm....

    Yeah, but you're on FOOT.

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    well im almost always on foot, there attached.

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    I'd blow off the scheduled start time entirely, assuming the hunt starts during daylight. No point traipsing around the island getting sunburned.

    Later on, under cover of darkness, my team of 10 would land on the island as stealthily as possible. We'd avoid obvious beachheads such as natural harbors, river mouths and such. Conversely, we'd avoid exposing ourselves by scaling a sheer cliff overlooking the ocean. The main thing is to be low profile, that's all.

    The team sticks together on the first night. Each person has helmet or goggle mounted thermal IR and a standard assortment of gear, but is limited to ~70 lbs per person max. Gear that's not being transported personally needs to be cached SECURELY and kept under guard at all times. The risk of the prisoners gaining access to modern equipment outweighs the benefit of bringing tons of shit.

    So, on the first night the team moves inland and conceals itself. It's not a race to explore the island, and preferably you DON'T want to bump into any prisoners on the first night. The team conceals itself thoroughly and caches their gear inside a perimeter. One squad concerns itself with the concealment location, setting up lightweight motion sensors or wireless CCTV hidden in the vegetation.

    The second squad deploys am RQ-11 UAV with thermal imaging. From a concealed location AWAY from the main hide, the UAV operator climbs out over the ocean until the UAV is inaudible, then conducts a thermal survey of the island for warm bodies. If any footpaths or interesting structures are visible, they're noted as well. UAV activity ceases before dawn and the survey squad retires to the concealment location.

    During daylight hours of day 1, the team lays low with 3-4 members on watch at all times. The team continues to hide after sunset until approximately midnight.

    Day 2: The team splits into 3 squads: a 4-man hunter/killer group, a 4-man group to guard the concealment location, and 2 more for the UAV team. All have radio contact with each other.

    If warm bodies were sighted on the first night, the hunter/killer squad should already have a general plan. The UAV squad performs a second thermal survey of the island and updates the hunter/killer squad as necessary.

    Before sunrise, the whole team returns to the hide. Lather, rinse, repeat.

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    Oh yeah, the safe zones.

    If a prisoner is caught in one, you stall him for a while as if it's a mexican standoff. "You step outside that imaginary box and you're dead!"

    Meanwhile, a concealed sniper team moves to view the safe zone from some distance away, remaining under cover.

    After the mexican standoff starts getting stale, that hunter feigns frustration and withdraws completely. After that, it's only a matter of time until the prisoner gets thirsty or hungry and steps outside the magic box.

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    I would:

    1) Change my name to Muhammad Hussein
    2) Recruit 9 of al queda's best
    3) 9 C4 vests
    4) They get the same information Brucelee provided (minus the little bit about the $50 mil per head) but it will be modified to say Jewish atheist infidels in place of criminal.
    5) ???
    6) Profit



    Ok, realistically?

    Me and one buddy of mine...

    Firearms/weapons
    I'd carry an m1a scout with a small 4x scope, strapped to a back pack.
    ~100 rounds I think. (5 mags)
    In hand I'd keep a lever action open sights, .357, in hand.
    ~50 rounds.
    Wheelgun crossdraw holstered, 6" barrel, open sights, .357.
    Sig mosquito, leg holster strong side, silencer, modified to ensure accuracy and reliability.
    ~50 rounds (5 mags)
    A couple frag grenades

    Tools
    Large fixed blade knife, ankle holster.
    Small LED flashlight
    Those fancy 2 way radios with earpieces that you can talk into.
    Night vision goggles, infrared goggles (batteries, etc.)

    Provisions
    1 week worth of non-perishable food and a few gallons of water.
    Climate appropriate clothes dark earth tones or camo.


    The plan

    I'd go in under the following assumtions... That they aren't all going to be great survivalists, at least some have banded together, they have been moving the entire time.
    All our movements occur durring hours of diminished light/night time. That levels the playing field (the know the terrain much better). Also allows us to move a little faster without fatigue. Sleep in 4 hour shifts durring midday. Food/water stashed in a burried cache at a central point on the island. Try to live off the land, use cache as last resort. Depending on the actual lay out of the island, I'd probably be spending most of my time looking for them near the perimeter, water sources, and food sources.

    Thats about as good I can do with such an open ended scenario. Why not more assistance? No preasure to actually get them all, and its less money to split. I figure we could get about half of them or so, at least. And he's the only person I know that I'd actually trust to be able to do this and pull his weight and move at my pace. I didn't address what my buddy would have, I'd leave it to him, but whatever it ended up being we'd probably keep it so calibres stayed compatable and swapable.

    I figure my gear load out is pretty reasonable to haul around. If something got burdensome I could easily render it useless with fire, water, or gravity, and leave it. I also left out some smaller things I'd end up bringing, hat, sunglasses, lighter, etc.
    Last edited by Pre-diddy; 09-21-2007 at 03:30 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kartoffel
    I'd blow off the scheduled start time entirely, assuming the hunt starts during daylight. No point traipsing around the island getting sunburned.

    Later on, under cover of darkness, my team of 10 would land on the island as stealthily as possible. We'd avoid obvious beachheads such as natural harbors, river mouths and such. Conversely, we'd avoid exposing ourselves by scaling a sheer cliff overlooking the ocean. The main thing is to be low profile, that's all.

    The team sticks together on the first night. Each person has helmet or goggle mounted thermal IR and a standard assortment of gear, but is limited to ~70 lbs per person max. Gear that's not being transported personally needs to be cached SECURELY and kept under guard at all times. The risk of the prisoners gaining access to modern equipment outweighs the benefit of bringing tons of shit.

    So, on the first night the team moves inland and conceals itself. It's not a race to explore the island, and preferably you DON'T want to bump into any prisoners on the first night. The team conceals itself thoroughly and caches their gear inside a perimeter. One squad concerns itself with the concealment location, setting up lightweight motion sensors or wireless CCTV hidden in the vegetation.

    The second squad deploys am RQ-11 UAV with thermal imaging. From a concealed location AWAY from the main hide, the UAV operator climbs out over the ocean until the UAV is inaudible, then conducts a thermal survey of the island for warm bodies. If any footpaths or interesting structures are visible, they're noted as well. UAV activity ceases before dawn and the survey squad retires to the concealment location.

    During daylight hours of day 1, the team lays low with 3-4 members on watch at all times. The team continues to hide after sunset until approximately midnight.

    Day 2: The team splits into 3 squads: a 4-man hunter/killer group, a 4-man group to guard the concealment location, and 2 more for the UAV team. All have radio contact with each other.

    If warm bodies were sighted on the first night, the hunter/killer squad should already have a general plan. The UAV squad performs a second thermal survey of the island and updates the hunter/killer squad as necessary.

    Before sunrise, the whole team returns to the hide. Lather, rinse, repeat.

    NOW THAT IS WHAT I AM F'ING TALKING ABOUT!

    Awesome, just awesome. I know who I'm going to when I need "a friend". lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pre-diddy
    I would:

    1) Change my name to Muhammad Hussein
    2) Recruit 9 of al queda's best
    3) 9 C4 vests
    4) They get the same information Brucelee provided (minus the little bit about the $50 mil per head) but it will be modified to say Jewish atheist infidels in place of criminal.
    5) ???
    6) Profit



    Ok, realistically?

    Me and one buddy of mine...

    Firearms/weapons
    I'd carry an m1a scout with a small 4x scope, strapped to a back pack.
    ~100 rounds I think. (5 mags)
    In hand I'd keep a lever action open sights, .357, in hand.
    ~50 rounds.
    Wheelgun crossdraw holstered, 6" barrel, open sights, .357.
    Sig mosquito, leg holster strong side, silencer, modified to ensure accuracy and reliability.
    ~50 rounds (5 mags)
    A couple frag grenades

    Tools
    Large fixed blade knife, ankle holster.
    Small LED flashlight
    Those fancy 2 way radios with earpieces that you can talk into.
    Night vision goggles, infrared goggles (batteries, etc.)

    Provisions
    1 week worth of non-perishable food and a few gallons of water.
    Climate appropriate clothes dark earth tones or camo.


    The plan

    I'd go in under the following assumtions... That they aren't all going to be great survivalists, at least some have banded together, they have been moving the entire time.
    All our movements occur durring hours of diminished light/night time. That levels the playing field (the know the terrain much better). Also allows us to move a little faster without fatigue. Sleep in 4 hour shifts durring midday. Food/water stashed in a burried cache at a central point on the island. Try to live off the land, use cache as last resort. Depending on the actual lay out of the island, I'd probably be spending most of my time looking for them near the perimeter, water sources, and food sources.

    Thats about as good I can do with such an open ended scenario. Why not more assistance? No preasure to actually get them all, and its less money to split. I figure we could get about half of them or so, at least. And he's the only person I know that I'd actually trust to be able to do this and pull his weight and move at my pace. I didn't address what my buddy would have, I'd leave it to him, but whatever it ended up being we'd probably keep it so calibres stayed compatable and swapable.

    I figure my gear load out is pretty reasonable to haul around. If something got burdensome I could easily render it useless with fire, water, or gravity, and leave it. I also left out some smaller things I'd end up bringing, hat, sunglasses, lighter, etc.

    Who says you'd only get half of them? These safety spots are ridiculously difficult to get to, they require puzzle solving abilities, as well as strength and team work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brucelee
    Who says you'd only get half of them? These safety spots are ridiculously difficult to get to, they require puzzle solving abilities, as well as strength and team work.

    Its just an estimation. I've got a pretty good idea of how much rough terrain I can cover on foot in a day. 12 square miles? Over 15 days? Questionable amount of sleep/nourishment? I figure its quite possible I get none of them, but even one, split between 2 people... I mean if we got 2 thats the max reward you could get with the full team killing everybody. Everything after 2 is just gravy, in my scenario.



    (EDIT) I just re-read and I guess there is no time limit on the hunt? In that case, yeah, I'll get 'em all.
    Last edited by Pre-diddy; 09-21-2007 at 04:51 PM.

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