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This is a discussion on Handgun Carry: Condition 3 aka 'Israeli Carry' = FTL within the CCW Conceal Carry forums, part of the Gun Forums category; not to knock your personal preference on holster, but personally, i would NEVER EVER use a holster like a SERPA where there is a mechanical ...

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    not to knock your personal preference on holster, but personally, i would NEVER EVER use a holster like a SERPA where there is a mechanical component that can fail and leave me weaponless.

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    That's why you always carry grenades...

    I have never heard of a SERPA failing though, and its been out for quite some time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nose Nuggets
    not to knock your personal preference on holster, but personally, i would NEVER EVER use a holster like a SERPA where there is a mechanical component that can fail and leave me weaponless.
    The SERPA is a range only holster. My carry holsters, for the most part, are leather with adjustable tension screws. I do, however, have a kydex Fobus and a kydex Blade-Tech.

    So far as the mechanical lock on the SERPA, you're almost always going to have a mechanical lock of some sort when you get into L2 and L3 retention holsters, just look at the Safariland Raptor as another example.

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    Today over at DC.com there was a thread started similar to how this one got going.

    At that thread someone posted the following video as being an example of why under real world civilian combat condition that carry as in condition three (hammer down, chamber empty and loaded magazine) is FTL.

    Be warned this is a NSFW video as aside from the server host the video shows a human being being murdered.
    The matter of events are sad. Take note of what occurs to the man and learn a lesson as by proxy from his death...

    http://nothingtoxic.com/media/126092...bbery_Shootout

    If you have no good reason to handicap yourself in a fight to save your own life, then why choose to do so?

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    Its hard to tell how many times he is hit. but its safe to say he was hit at least once before even realizing what was about to go down. This brings up a few different points of note;

    be aware of your surroundings, especially if you are working in a jewelry store or other high profile target for thieves. not working in a place like this is no excuse for not being aware, mind you.

    cover and concealment is priority #1. your firearm is worthless if you are already dead. get off the x.

    carry ready to fight. shit happens in FRACTIONS of a second. just like Janq said; don't handicap yourself right out of the gate.

    train for all possible scenarios. just having the weapon and knowing how it functions is only slightly more beneficial then having no weapon at all. if you are in a gun fight, you are going to get hit. its statistically unlikely that even while facing a single attacker in close quarters will you escape unscathed unless you are steps ahead of the BG. when there are multiple armed assailants its almost guaranteed. train with you off hand, train from the ground, train from behind cover, train, train, train. ideally you want your body engaging targets with little conscience effort while your mind is focused on who is a threat, and how to diminish that threat quickly. this is why stance and weaver vs isos is a fucking worthless debate. WORTHLESS! hopefully where your feet are is the LAST thing you will be thinking about.

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    Yeah, that poor guy they lit his ass up like a Christmas tree in Central Park.
    He took a lot of rounds incoming.

    It was a given that he was going to get shot.

    But had his firearm been kept in condition one he would have been far better able to prevent being shot as beyond the first that clearly struck him in the abdomen from his body reaction.
    Dude with his failed gun wound up taking hits to what looked like the leg/thigh and more to the chest or side when he was down. Terrible, and ugly.

    At the very least he could have taken a sucka or two with him to the grave as escorts.
    Sad.

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    i think your also discounting the benefits of return fire. its one thing to shoot a guy with no gun or a "broken" gun. who knows, the might have stopped and run as soon as they encountered resistance. fear is powerful.

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    Agreed NN.

    He took the one round to the gut right out the blocks.
    But that normally would be a survivable wound.
    Possibly he could have fought them back with rounds going their way.

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    He presented himself as weak prey. He got shot, yes, but then fumbled the one thing that would give him a better chance to survive and the BGs picked up on it immediately as can be seen when they move closer. Firing from the hip, firing from your back, firing off handed, firing under stress....all tools to the trade one needs to know if he's to get a passing grade.

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    when there are multiple armed assailants its almost guaranteed. train with you off hand, train from the ground, train from behind cover, train, train, train. ideally you want your body engaging targets with little conscience effort while your mind is focused on who is a threat, and how to diminish that threat quickly. this is why stance and weaver vs isos is a fucking worthless debate. WORTHLESS! hopefully where your feet are is the LAST thing you will be thinking about.
    Winner. Weaver v. Iso is a retarded debate. Let's face it, under stress you're not going to be worried about getting your weapon exactly into weaver or iso position. More likely than not, you will shoot from retention, one handed, or with some hybrid of weaver/iso. All that matters is that you get your ass moving to cover or concealment and take good shots. LEARN HOW TO POINT SHOOT.

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