Mr. Head Gun
.300 WinMag Vs .308.
Sell me on .300 Win mag.
more details to come later.
I don't like convincing ppl to buy a certain Cal. or name or model. I prefer to give as much info as I can and allow you to make your own informed decision. That's the way my FFL has always been with me and it's prolly the reason I use him exclusively.
The .300 Win mag is faster, more powerful and can be more accurate than the .308win.
But what does that mean in real life application?
Shooting the exact same bullets, the .300 is on average 300fps faster, has 300-400 more ftlbs power but also has 1.5x as much recoil. At 500yds thats about 15" of difference.
In a hunting scenerio there isn't much advantage until you get into 500lb+ animals. Even then shot placement trumps power.
In a Tactical/match scenerio the 300 steps up at longer ranges, the heavier 190gn-240gn VLD, AMAX and MatchKing bullets are to long to be loaded in the .308 case. But these are extreme bullets made for extreme range; that kick like a bitch and must be handloaded. If you don't load they don't help you.
The .308 is a short action which is quicker to use and shorter is stiffer meaning more accurate with Equal bullets.
Less recoil in the 308 so less flinch and less pain so you shot it better and more accurately.
Ammo, non surplus is around 5$ a box cheaper for the .308. more trigger time
Now your asking thig question so i'm guessing you don't own a .30 cal rifle. To take advantage of either of these guns long range ability you need to spend a few buck on glass and not the shit you find in cheaperthandirt or the sportsmans guide etc... but a scope thats costs as much as the gun. No offence here but do you think your good enough with a 30 cal to take advantage of the .300's long range ability 600+yds?
Theres so stuff for you to ponder,
Gunny At Large
Bah to the 300 win mag. If you are going to get something with Magnum in the caliber I like the bigger bore mags.
Im very partial to the 375H&H
Unless you are looking at a semi auto....but I say fuck it for the most part.
The Italians have a saying. "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer." And although they've never won a war or mass-produced a decent car, in this area they are correct.
If you are going .300WinMag over .308, you might as well step up to .338 lapua, then you can go out to 1500m...if you can see that far
I would recommend .308, it is an accurate and very versatile round. you can get surplus cheap for blasting or match rounds for accuracy
yeah, .308 or.338 for me
.300 just doesn't cut it like i want
The .338 lapua is a big step. The gun alone is 2000+ for a quality USED gun; thats what my TRG cost; 2500+ for a new gun since you don't buy 1 in Savage or Remy.
1200+ for glass, you need good glass for long range so S&B, Nightforce or U.S. Optics.
Ammo ain't cheap. 90$ for a box of 20. Hand loading is a must. But even there it's 200$ for 100 cases, 40-80$ for 50 Match bullets and it's a big case so powder is gonna go fast, 70-80 loads per LB at 16$ a LB.
that's a big investment
The .338LM comment was in jest. unless you have the range...not so practical
But you can spend equal cash on a custom .308 such as a Rock or cursader by GAP. mmmm GAP
I figured you were just throwing that out there.
Originally Posted by Ducman
Custom guns are a whole diff story, you can certainly spend the same amout on a custom .308
G.A makes very good quality, accurate rifles but personally I find their stock options just plain ugly. The Rock and Crusader are resonably priced but they are "production" guns, they are made as is. If you want anything different like a longer barrel it's no ,longer a rock or crusader so no longer get the discount price so 4" of extra barrel can cost you 600$
Mr. Head Gun
Is the rocoil really that much worse than .308?
Thanks for all the info guys.
Yes. It's called a MAG for a reason. A lot bigger case with a lot mor powder in the same weight gun. A 30-06 recoils a little more than a .308 and they preform almost identical, the .300 winmag has a lot more shit behind it.
.308: 180gn bullet 44.0 gn powder 2700fps has 21 FTLB recoil
.300 winmag: 180gn bullet 70gn powder 3050fps has 38ftlb recoil
thats a standard 8lb gun, you can deduct about 3ftlbs of recoil for every lb heavier the gun actuallt is.
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